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Iketown300

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Static Weights?
« on: August 13, 2004, 10:06:00 PM »
Hey guys, I'm fairly new at learning about how to get bowling balls drilled.  I just started to learn about where the MB needs to go to shape the reaction and how the pin from the PAP affects length.  What I need to know now is these static weights that I have heard so much about.  I know about thumb, finger, positive side and negative side....is that what "static weights" are?  Or something else?
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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2004, 06:21:02 PM »
Ike -- Add top weight/bottom weight and you've got them all.  --  JohnP

Iketown300

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2004, 06:25:04 PM »
Thanks guys that's what i thought just wanted to make sure.
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T-GOD

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2004, 09:31:50 AM »
Angs, you may say that you can only SEE a 3% difference of reaction on the lane (and I beg to differ on that), but it may be the difference in the ball carrying or not carrying.

If that happens (not carrying), you're in big trouble..!!

Is a ball with 2 oz. of top going to react the same as a ball with zero top..? No..!! So, having the proper static weights in the ball can, and does matter, especially if they're not right and you're loosing carry.

Do you guys really think that every ball out there is drilled properly..? I mean, with the correct weight balance for the core angle chosen, bowlers release and the lane condition to be used for..?

No, of course not..!! So, how many balls out there could be drilled better (balanced better), giving you better reaction and carry..?

Do you have one of these..? =:^D




Edited on 8/15/2004 9:37 AM

T-GOD

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 10:24:13 AM »
Angst (sorry the 1st time), here's where we differ on opinions. You're basically acknowledging that there's a difference in the ball now with negative weight, as compared to when it had positive side.

When the ball had positive side, the ending CG/heavy spot, was on the righthand side of the ball. Now, with negative weight, the ending CG/heavy spot is on the left hand side of the ball.

Whether the ball has a hole in it or not, don't you think the ball will react differently because the weight is on a different side of the ball now..? The ball is reacting differently, not because of the hole, it's because the ending weight/CG is in a different location.

If the ball had a hole, in the position you put it to get 3/4 negative, but still had 3/4 positve side, do you think the ball will roll like it had negative weight, because the hole is the same place it was in the negative side ball..? =:^D

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2004, 12:15:31 PM »
A balance hole drilled deep enough to get into the core will change the RG and differential and will affect the ball's reaction (perhaps only slightly) even for the same static weights.  --  JohnP

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2004, 12:39:15 PM »

1. When drilling a hole into the side of a ball and you don't want to change the RG, which is best, a small deep hole or a larger shallower hole?

2. What does this hole drilled into the core do to the RG and Differental? Raise it? Lower it? Etc. My reason for asking here is that on some balls that should have worked for me that had the correct RG's and Differentals for my style seemed to not work as well if they had a weight hole. For example, I had one ball that the driller said was legal and I found out it wasn't. It was 3/4 oz too much side weight. A different driller put a long small weight hole into the ball and that ball plumb died right there and never worked for me again. What happened here?????

3. How do you raise or lower the RG with the weight hole and how much does this raise or lower the Differental?


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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2004, 04:46:03 PM »
Brickguy221 -- Check the following websites, they explain it better than I can.

http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/balanceholes.php

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=12

There's a lot of other good info on these sites also.  --  JohnP

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 09:37:44 PM »
any guideline or favour weight of top vs side vs finger ratio ? I heard some guys like the same ratio on finger and size,lets says 3/4 oz finger and 3/4 size, how much top should it be apply to get the most carry ? some say 3:2:1. what do you think ?

T-GOD

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2004, 10:16:31 PM »
Brick, placing a hole on your PAP raises the RG, but doesn't change the differential. The deeper you go, the higher the RG.

Based on the theory that you're raising the RG, you would think the ball would go longer, but it doesn't. This is because you're losing side and top weight with a hole on your PAP.

Placing a hole off your PAP lowers the RG, but raises the diff. Also, a bigger, shallow hole, will lower the RG.

Forget about the RG and Diff numbers, ball reaction after using a hole is determined by the ending static weights/ending CG(heavy spot).

If you have an unstable core and are using too much positive weights, then you'll never be able to control the ball.

The opposite goes for a stable core. If you're not using enough positive weight, the ball may roll to early or even, and you'll loose carry. =:^D


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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 10:47:54 PM »
T-God, in the example in item 2 that I posted which really happened, do you have any idea what might have made the ball die and never to work again regardless of what both the driller and my self tried on the cover to revive it?

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Re: Static Weights?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2004, 10:37:39 AM »
Brick, I don't have enough info to determine why the ball died.

1. What ball was it..?
2. How did it react before the hole..?
3. What conditions did it work on or what conditions were you using it on..?
4. What kind of layout did the ball have..?
5. What was the side, finger, and top weight before and after the hole..?
6. Where was the hole, on your PAP, off your PAP, ect...ect...?
=:^D

Edited on 8/17/2004 10:32 AM