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Gene J Kanak

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Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« on: April 23, 2005, 07:34:40 AM »
Hey everyone,

Here are my specs:
6'2, 210lbs
RH
Above average speed: 18-20 mph
Slightly above average revs (not sure of official rev-rate)
High track--within 1-2" of fingers
A-game is firm and straight, but I can move inside and wheel from the inside when the shot calls for it.

Here's my current arsenal in order from strongest to weakest:
Real Deal
Ultimate Inferno
Blade Reactive
Absolute Inferno
Blade Pearl
Blazing Inferno
Target Zone

I might be picking up a couple more balls, a Deal and a second Real Deal. With that in mind, what layouts might you suggest to give me a different look. I'm looking for drillings that will offer me something that I don't already have and/or to keep me in play on the regional tour patterns. Are there any that you guys/gals know that, with my style, would offer me what I'm looking for? Just toss suggestions out. I'm up for anything. Thanks for the help.
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 09:43:59 PM »
I'm no drilling expert, but those who are might want to know your current drillings to compliment what you already have.  Do you know your PAP?
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 02:29:13 PM »
Gene -- I've talked to a few of the pro's about their layouts.  Most avoid the exotic layouts, use 4 - 5 1/2 pins and label drills, pin either over or under the fingers, they choose the correct pin out for the position they want.  They've got enough hand that they don't need a lot of help from the core.  Think about it, how often do you see a pro on TV using a ball with a balance hole?  --  JohnP

Gene J Kanak

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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2005, 09:49:38 AM »
thanks for all of the suggestions so far.

Jabroni,

I realize what you're saying, and you're right. There is no right or wrong answer. I know that there are a million factors that could lead to different answers in regard to my question. I'm just looking for some general info. I'm not expecting anybody to be able to tell me exactly what I should or should not do here.  To give some further info, here is more info on my current stuff:

Real Deal: pin below ring, cg slightly kicked right, LMB below and right of thumb, Slightly polished finish--Clears heads and offers strong arc through the backend

Ult. Inferno: Pin even with ring, cg stacked below, Highly polished---Revs up quickly but still clears the heads and flips hard off of any dry it finds.

Abs. Inferno: Pin just below ring, cg just off midline, box finish---Begins grabbing the midlane a bit harder than most pearls before making a strong, arcy move on the back.

Blade: Pin right of ring, cg under ring, highly polished---All about skid-flip. The polish gets it down the lane and it makes a hard crack on the backend. Good for going deep on an open shot.

Blade Pearl: Pin below bridge, cg kicked right, box finish---Good length and a hard charge off the dry. A little longer than the Absolute with a more angular move on the back. Doesn't cover as many boards.

Blazing: Pin above bridge, cg kicked into the negative 1-2", box finish---Long down the lane with a strong but steady move in the back. Best suited for dry heads and flying backends.
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2005, 09:51:26 AM »
I give my opinion on subjects and don't usually defend it, but do acknowledge if a responder shows me I've made an error.  In this case, I'm holding to my original opinion unless someone can give me a specific reason that it is flawed.  I don't know of a better control layout for difficult patterns than a 4 - 5 1/2" pin and the cg in the palm.  I'm going to watch the seniors bowl at Clarksville, TN this afternoon and tomorrow.  I'll visit the ball trailer and ask what percentage of balls he drills use a weight hole and report back.  --  JohnP

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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2005, 10:47:06 AM »
Try this. Take the deal if u get another one, and drill it upside down. let me draw you a picture.
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My friend did this with an El Nino(not sure which) and my god that ball fliped harder than anythign ive ever seen. WARNING:jumbo weight hole will be needed.... prob 1 3/8 inch drilled 4 inches deep. Thats what his was. Give it a try, you wont be dissapointed.
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2005, 11:19:48 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmm, didn't know too many people wanted jumbo flip on fifficult patterns.
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2005, 01:04:36 PM »
quote:
Try this. Take the deal if u get another one, and drill it upside down. let me draw you a picture.
------CG


---*PIN
0--0


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My friend did this with an El Nino(not sure which) and my god that ball fliped harder than anythign ive ever seen. WARNING:jumbo weight hole will be needed.... prob 1 3/8 inch drilled 4 inches deep. Thats what his was. Give it a try, you wont be dissapointed.
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Looks like a 315:

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets.php?id=11

Mine is more like this:

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0--0

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Very smooth, and no over reacting


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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2005, 01:32:06 PM »
SAW - Whah!!! Cheese to go with the wine. Come on!! Have some intestintial fortitude.

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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 02:26:50 PM »
now you guys did it,..he took his football and went home,.
hate it when they do that,..

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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 09:21:35 PM »
1 3/8 weighthole is legal on tour, but for ABC/USBC members 1 1/4 is the largest you are allowed on a ball.
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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2005, 02:14:17 PM »
I'm back from Clarksville, where I watched a great Senior tour stop.  Dale Eagle won the title and trophy, which coincidentally was a beautiful 30 lb brass (I think) eagle.  The remainder of this post is information I gleaned at the ball trailer.  First, I stand corrected on the number of balls the pro's use that have balance holes.  About 75% of what they drill do have balance holes. With the large rev rate the pro's have, even a small balance hole makes a significant change in the ball reaction.  It's hard to see the balance holes on TV and even in person, because they blend in so well with the swirly patterns of today's covers.  However, I was correct that the majority of the balls they use have pin to PAP distances in the 4 - 5 1/2" range.  The next largest grouping is in the 1 - 2 1/2" range.  And as I said, pin position in relation to the midline is used to adjust the break point.  --  JohnP

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Re: Stay-in-play drillings for tour conditions?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2005, 08:35:35 PM »
Gene, here's a few ideas for you.

1. Pin over the middle finger with the CG kicked out to the right 2+". Clean thru the heads with some kick on the back, good for playing deeper inside.

2. CG Axis, pin leverage, hole on axis. This will give you good midlane with very good control. Great over/under layout.

3. Pin axis, 0-2" pin (preferable 0" pin), weight hole 10" from center of grip. Excellent length with smooth controlable backend, good for playing straigher up the outside.

Good luck with whatever you try. =:^D