win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Conflicting layout info  (Read 2245 times)

lefty50

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1822
Conflicting layout info
« on: October 06, 2007, 09:48:31 AM »
Can anyone comment on the following?

Low track, low rev lefty - Looking for a good early rolling layout since I'm sliding past break point on everything I have now.

I was told by a pro shop today that they couldn't sell me the ball I wanted because the pins were all 3-4. We agreed on a pin under fingers layout, but they said that I had to look for a 1-2 or 2-3 pin max in order to get the pin low enough so that the ball would rev early enough.

Huh?

I always heard that longer pins would help drive the weight towrds thumb and that shorter pins made the ball more mellow.

Is it true that a shorter pin will rev faster?


--------------------
Signature? I don't need no stinking signature...

 

Joe Jr

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2776
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2007, 05:56:45 PM »
Your going to want a shorter pin when under the fingers to help keep the static weights under control. Going with a 3-4" pin could result in you having more thumb or side weight then you can take out with a weight hole or needing a crater of a hole to get it back to legal.
--------------------
My Vid
Formerly Brunswick Lefty & Richard Cranium

Quote from Conspirator300:
And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 06:00:45 PM »
Huh? is right.

There is minimal difference between a 2-3" pin and a 3-4" pin. If they just put the pin where it needs to be and then use a weight as hole as it should be (if properly placed it can be used to add more and earlier flare to help you get it into a roll earlier.), then you'll be just fine.

Bottom line: find a real driller, an IBPSIA sanctioned/certified driller, who knows their butt from a hole in the ground. (bad paraphrasing; hope you get the point)

(It seems to be, based on what you have said so far that) our current driller does not know enough to run a pro shop. (Emphasis on the word, "PRO"!!!!) )
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Worrying is like rocking in a rocking chair: it gives you something to do, but doesn't get you anywhere!"
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

the pooh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 615
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 06:01:54 PM »
It is my belief that we select the pin out distance to get the layout we want.Pin to cg distance is important from the viewpoint of being able to make the ball statically legal and determining the location and size of a weight hole.You may actually be better off with a 3-4 pin because it would allow a larger x-hole in the thumb positive quadrant and that would get the ball into a roll sooner!
--------------------
the pooh
the pooh

Cobalt Bomb

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2053
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 06:06:15 PM »
I agree with your driller, a ball with that long a pin distance could be near impossible or require a very large weight hole to get USBC legal, depending on topweight. The difference in a ball between a 3-4 and a 2-3 is negligible.

Edited on 10/6/2007 6:07 PM

Mike Austin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2057
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 06:38:19 PM »
quote:
Huh? is right.

There is minimal difference between a 2-3" pin and a 3-4" pin. If they just put the pin where it needs to be and then use a weight as hole as it should be (if properly placed it can be used to add more and earlier flare to help you get it into a roll earlier.), then you'll be just fine.

Bottom line: find a real driller, an IBPSIA sanctioned/certified driller, who knows their butt from a hole in the ground. (bad paraphrasing; hope you get the point)

(It seems to be, based on what you have said so far that) our current driller does not know enough to run a pro shop. (Emphasis on the word, "PRO"!!!!) )
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Worrying is like rocking in a rocking chair: it gives you something to do, but doesn't get you anywhere!"




Yeah, what he said.  Besides, if you really have a "low track", then pin under your fingers could be too far from your PAP.  You might want to put the pin to the left of your ring finger instead of under.  This will make the ball roll up earlier.

Unless the balls they have all have 4 oz of top weight, there is no worry about the side weight.  1 1/4 is a big hole, can remove much side weight.  You probably want to use a layout with a hole anyway, this will help the ball rev up earlier and using the hole low will get the ball to flare more, which promotes the good things you are looking for.

You could use another/better driller.
--------------------
Just because they make it in your size, doesn't mean you should wear it!!!

Check out my project: www.mikeaustinbowling.net

CHECK OUT MY BLOGS!  www.myspace.com/strikes4days

Check out Tony's Journals - they are FREE!!
http://www.allbowling.com/journal/public.php?uid=67&leagueid=563
Mike Austin's Bowling Dynamix Pro Shops
Inside Emerald Bowl
Inside Tomball Bowl
Track Pro Staff Member
Vise Grips Staff Member

lefty50

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1822
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 07:08:28 PM »
Very interesting replies, many thanks to all. The conclusion then is that the statement may be kinda sorta maybe true re: thumb weight, but doesn't have significant bearing on the issue. Interesting though, I don't think I see a single conlusive statement replying to the statement that short pins themselves rev up faster....

Thanks for the help. Since I want a thumb positive hole anyway, I think I'm going to go for it....
--------------------
Signature? I don't need no stinking signature...

Sawuser

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3700
Re: Conflicting layout info
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2007, 07:20:17 PM »
Well I'm going with just the opposite of what most of you are saying. I'm a low tracker(not a spinner) with a PAP of 4 3/4 over & 1/4 up. I got a low RG storm from Ricky Corona a few years back & he suggested I put the pin near the track with the CG rt of centerline on the midline(no marked MB) to get the ball to "stand up" earlier. The pin ended up about 7 1/2" from PAP. It just rolled without a whole lot of movement, but it did what he said it would do & it didn't roll out.
One of my favorite layouts now is 6 1/4 pin to pap just below & left of middle finger, cg on centerline & just below midline with MB in thumb quadrant about 4 1/2" from pap. It reads the mids great & goes into a good continuous roll to the pocket.

lefty, if you're having trouble getting your ball into a roll I would suggest experimenting with a similar drill. I think you would like it.
--------------------
Righty
Think about it!

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. Ronald Reagan