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Pat Patterson

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Success with Label Leverage ?
« on: December 18, 2008, 07:00:08 AM »
Has/or does anyone still use label leverage layouts?  I have a Lane Masters Sting drilled this way and my average has increased from 220 to 230 in the last 2 months with 10 700+ series between 2 leagues and nother lower than 650.

Should a give the layout all the credit, since nothing with my game or the house I bowl in has changed?

Also thinking about drilling up a couple of more this way from my current stock of 10 NIB Lane Masters stuff, any suggestions on which ones would benefit from this drilling?  Balls are listed in Profile for reference.

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JessN16

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 03:52:31 PM »
I would assume this translates to a "label drill" (meaning, basic 4x4 with pin somewhere around/over the ring and CG in grip center)...yes, I do. That's how all my diamond-cored Lane #1 balls are drilled and it makes them all very strong in the midlane and very predictable. I've had good luck with them and my average has also gone up.

Typically, I rely on the dual-angle system for my other gear, or I already have an idea of what I want to do with the pattern. But yes, it still has its place, IMO.

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 05:29:21 PM »
Is Label drill/leverage the same as 4x4?  I also gotta wonder if a basic pattern like that would be good for me.  My Rival is 4 1/4" pin under and I get a great midlane read from it except on too much oil and sometimes less friction surfaces of course.  I wonder if I should drill most of my stuff around 4", adjusting pin higher or lower to get that same consistent reaction.
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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 05:43:18 PM »
Label is generally a generic layout that doesn't use the bowler's PAP to reference the pin to PAP distance.  So, IMO, a 4x4 layout isn't label... or label leverage.

Label = pin at around 2-3 o'clock with the cg very close to the grip center.  The grip center is considered the center of the clock face.

Label Leverage = Leverage in this case should denote the pin being very close to 3 3/8" from the bowler's PAP, everything else being the same as label.

Personally, I detest these sorts of layout...  Almost every ball I've tried it on ended up much too condition specific for my taste.

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 05:59:25 PM »
most of my bowling balls are drilled label..  and i love them..  i recently had my cell pearl drilled label and it was AMAZING!!  love it...
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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 06:23:19 PM »
Moderate length with a strong but controlled backend. Why would you need anything else for most of the usual conditions one finds. Not all that popular with the send it and bend it crowd.
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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 09:44:48 PM »
To inconsistant for my taste...
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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 10:00:25 PM »
For some reason I have not really got along very well with label drills, I seem to like stacked, or cg out drills better, although I have seen many people use them to great effect,maybe I will try it again soon.
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don coyote

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 10:10:18 PM »
I have a SUPERNOVA XP that is almost useless. It's drilled with the pin
3 3/8" and the MB 1/2" left of thumb. The midlane is massive with lots of ten pins left. I have polished it and scuffed it, to no avail. My pro shop has admitted he drilled it to strong, but has no suggestions.
I am looking for suggestions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Burak Natal

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 05:12:58 AM »
What is label leverage layout?

- If you have a PAP of 3-1/2 over & 1 up, it means almost pin axis drilling, very early and smooooth!
- If I have a PAP of 4-1/2 over & 1 up, it's gonna be close to 3-3/8 to PAP, which is strongest pin position
- If you have a PAP of 6 over, it means less flare and length!

So again, what is label and label leverage for that matter?
Secondly, how can one make a comment by comparing apples and oranges?

Label can be apple for my style and can be a watermelon for yours!

If Label/Label leverage stands for a specific distance from one's PAP, than please ignore my ignorance and disregard this post..
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 05:50:27 AM »
I have almost a label leverage layout on my NS2, and it runs very successful with it. I wanted the ball as my oil ball with a strong setup. But charlest and others warned me not to make it too rolly, so a pin-under-fingers-CG-at-45° was no option (and the warning voices were right!).
Besides, I got my NS2 from a sale, and the only pin options were in the 3-4" range. So a label setup was the best compromise between my needs and what the ball would offer, and I must say that - despite initial doubts about this simple setup - the NS2 has instantly become a very good oil ball with this drilling option. Does not hook a lot, but gets into a heavy roll, and the high particle load converts revs into traction throighout the lane. very good package for me, and still thankful for the tips I got from here

Besides, a label leverage drilling has the pin at 3 3/8" from the PAP (strongest position), and the CG placed in the palm (or 1/2" towards the PAP, just to ensure some proper side weight. My NS2 is about 4" from PAP). The result is a very early mid lane read, and a tame back end that has the ball rather roll than hook most of the time. While it is easy to control and a no-brainer for a pro shop*, I basically do not like this setup because it is so unspecific and can make the ball roll out pretty early.

*which is IMHO also a good test for a pro shop's drilling quality: if you only get a label drilling, whatever you ask reaction-wise, I'd have some doubts about the shop's quality...
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Burak Natal

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 05:52:11 AM »
Mongo, that's another good point. If I may add some more about asymmetry:

1- Stronger the pin position, less effectual the MB position. So again, location of the PAP is the most important thing!

2- Strength wise, position of the MB is, AGAIN, directly related to PAP. I have a PAP of 4-1/2 over & 3/4 down. My strongest MB position, which is 45 degrees, with the primary pin "next to my ring finger", is just a couple of millimeters right of my thumb. That would be 60 to 70 degrees for players with PAPs farther away and not inverted like mine.




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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 11:41:12 AM »
My observation has been that up the backers love these things!

On the side releasers seem to drive past the break point and not get much midlane with these drillings.

If one is playing out wide or fairly shallow for a swing they seem to work great!

Inside.....for most....not so much.

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 01:57:14 PM »
LuckyLefty hit the nail on the head. +1
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JessN16

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Re: Success with Label Leverage ?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2008, 02:44:02 AM »
quote:
LuckyLefty hit the nail on the head. +1
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-1 for me, because I'm not an up-the-backer. I did think his descriptions in the post before that one were pretty spot-on, though.

I think it has more to do with the lines you like to play and your house conditions than whether you go up the back or around. I can change my hand positions pretty easily and it works for me whether I'm coming right behind it or nearly spinning it.

I've used my Tsunami H20 on the following conditions this year: House, PBA Viper, the three shots at The Gathering (ABC Masters, one of the sport Kegel patterns, and what looked like either the old Regional 3 or Viper pattern), flat, and the Alabama State Tournament's pattern (long, deep oil in a very narrow strip down the middle of the lane, with short buff outside -- modified top-hat, in other words) and haven't yet found a condition I can't use it on. I just dialed in more tilt when I needed to or changed my rotation.

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