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Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« on: June 19, 2015, 09:35:28 AM »
I'm looking for some suggestions from you guys on increasing axis tilt.  I have a customer with extremely low tilt and I have a couple of ideas I was pondering but I would to hear what worked for you guys.  Any suggestions is greatly appreciated.

Here are the stats I measured:
Ball speed - 17mph
Rev rate - 300
Axis tilt - 6 degrees
Axis rotation - 70 degrees
Pap- 5 1/4 x 1 1/8 up

 

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2015, 10:20:05 AM »
From his specs it appears he's staying in the thumb too long thru the rotation - 1 1/8" up coordinate and 70 degrees of rotation
Does his wrist break at the bottom or his elbow follow the hand?
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2015, 12:07:58 PM »
Thumb is 1/4 forward but doesn't seem to hang in the ball..elbow follows the hand up the back (tried different hand positions but still not enough)

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2015, 12:10:07 PM »
The most logical way for an up coordinate that much with that type of rotation is the hand being on the side of the ball at release
1/4 forward is a slowing release angle
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2015, 12:33:11 PM »
Should I back it off to an 1/8th... I know MO's philosophy is to roll everything 1/8 to help you get around it easier?

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 01:03:57 PM »
Don't know Mo's philosophy only what a hand requires to release the ball properly
What's his ring finger span? What's his thumb and finger laterals?
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 02:38:25 PM »
Final span: 4 5/16 x 4 1/2
Pitches: fingers 3/8 lateral 1/2 reverse

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 02:51:08 PM »
What's his thumb lateral?
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 03:46:42 PM »
Zero lateral

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 03:49:04 PM »
To me those specs and not knowing his flexibility or anatomy but those angles are keeping him in the ball too long thru the rotation in my opinion
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 03:52:44 PM »
Ok sounds good!! Thanks for the help

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2015, 02:31:33 AM »
please let us know what you adjust and how it works out.
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 11:42:44 AM »
I'm waiting on a few other replies...but I think I will back the thumb off a bit to 1/8th and see if I can see a different roll with him

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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 12:23:06 PM »
I know for me, going more right in the thumb(right handed) really increased my tilt and lowered my track. Just did the same thing for my dad and he went from 3 degrees to 12 degrees. Some say it locks you in but if it is what your hand needs it seems to work.. I'm 3/4 right and clear the thumb fine.. Went from 1/8 to 3/8 right for my dad. Recheck his thumb lateral and see if he could stand to go a bit right..

Also is there a chance the span is a bit long?  I wouldn't think based on the thumb forward, but I know when my span was stretched I would come around the side of the ball and had very low tilt..

Maybe the ring is long..or the middle is too short?

Don't take any of this as gospel. Just throwing some ideas to maybe think about.
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Re: Suggestions on increasing axis tilt
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 12:34:47 PM »
Adding right lateral will increase the potential of over rotating and/or going over the top of it due to decreasing the release speed...
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