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Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« on: July 14, 2012, 11:30:32 AM »
Hey guys is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0A55g6fKIo&feature=endscreen&NR=1.

The drilling looks like it requires a lot of hand at least on a pearl.  This guy I think has some!  Of course the drilling states it needs mucho  hand.

Anyone tried these drillings on a stronger surface solid?  Moderate hand?

Any lefties try the Jason Couch version?  Looks like a stronger mass bias, less pin strength, version of the same idea!  How does the reaction change on a solid?  How much hand should one have!? 

Experts?  Ebonite Experts?  Drill experts?

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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 01:08:16 AM »
That just looks like a regular layout with a high pin.  Nothing really tricky about it from where I sit.  The trick layout is more a way to get the pin VERY high and the Mass Bias relatively close to the PAP.
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 10:37:22 AM »
It was the closest I could find in about an hour looking on Youtube for reactions with the Tommy Jones or Jason Couch layout.

Here is the layout I am talking about.  I actually received a solid with EXACTLY the Jason Couch layout and I'm trying to figure out what to do about it!

Here are the drill sheets and the section titled Trick drillings is the one I am speaking of.
http://ebonite.com/products/product_detail/mission_x/
Click on the link and click Download drillings

Anyone have experience with these.  I am moderate revs slow speed rev dominant strong side roll, I am feeling that this drilling (Jason Couch version) would be too dramatic for me at the break point.

Thoughts?

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Luckylefty
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 10:52:12 AM »
Tommy Jones Favorite Trick Layout

    Ball Reaction: Long and most aggressive at the breakpoint for Tommy Jones
    Suitable for: High Rev Rates only
    Flare potential: High
    Pin Placement: Place Pin 1” inches away from the Vertical Axis Line and 4” inches away from the PAP
    Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG area. It it doesn’t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted.
    Mass Bias Placement: Mass Bias Placement at 80 degree angle to the right of the thumb hole. If needed place balance hole approx 4 inches to the right and drill the ball back to statically legal

« Last Edit: July 15, 2012, 11:25:39 AM by Aloarjr810 »
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 11:03:12 AM »
ALOA,

Yes that is the right hand version.  The left hander version has the pin a little farther from the PAP, and the mass bias closer to the PAP as in that link above.

Anyone seen that and how it works in real life.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 11:24:58 AM »
Jason Couch Favorite Trick Layout

    Ball Reaction: Long and most continuous for Jason
    Couch Suitable for: High Rev Rates only; Pin out distance must be at least 3.5 inches out.
    Flare potential: High
    Pin Placement: Place Pin: 1” inches away from the Vertical Axis Line and 5” inches away from the PAP
    Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG area. If it doesn’t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted.
    Mass Bias Placement: Mass Bias Placement at 60 degree angle to the left of the thumb hole. If needed place balance hole approx 4 inches to the right and 1 inch up and drill the ball back to statically legal.
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 12:10:58 PM »
Good, stuff!  Thanks,


Anyone have these drillings or see them on your balls or friends, solid MB balls?

Regards,

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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 08:02:11 PM »
Just happened across this article and it mentioned this:
READER'S NOTE 2: On a special note of interest, Ebonite reveals that Tommy Jones favors the 1 inch, PIN to VAL distance.

How Does the PIN to VAL Distance Impact Ball Motion?
http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=163&Itemid=47
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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2012, 09:25:05 PM »
Interesting Thank you for posting that!

By the way I recently drilled a ball with 3 3/4 pin to Pap and pretty close to the VAL maybe 1.5 inches  and with the MB pretty close to the VAL.  It is pearlier and pretty nice so far!

My concern about the two trick drillings was that the pin is a good distance from the pap.  This seems to often cause backendis extremis for me??  Pins closer to the VAL as in the referenced study, not so much at least in a pap to pin distance of close to 4

REgards,

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Re: Tommy Jones Trick Layout? Jason Couch version
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 03:38:42 PM »
Ahhhh. I see that we meet again. What up Lucky?

I have this layout on half of the pieces that I own. It is extremely useful for me on flying backends and torched midlanes. It is supposed to be for guys with a lot of hand. The first ball I tried this on was a pearl, and it was a dart, until I figured out when to use it. I don't believe I have a lot of hand, of course, that's just my opinion. It is great, in that it gives you control when others are struggling to keep the ball from jumping on the head-pin. It gives you length and a smooth, controlled arc, when used on the right condition. When used on the wrong condition, like too much oil, you'lll leave lots of 2-8-10's. It is basically a very high pin leveraged drill.
Hope that helps. I shot 716 recently with this very ball, in a tourny that had flying backends. Definitely a drilling to have in your arsenal!
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