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SplitKing

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Thumb molds
« on: August 05, 2009, 02:13:42 AM »
Albeit that all these inter-changable thumb systems are becoming very popular I do not want to go this route.  Instead I would like to explore the area of thumb molds.  A bowler I know from league uses thumb slugs made from a thumb mold.  Can anyone with experience with these thumb slugs made from a mold of a thumb from a ball they really like explain to me how they work.  Can they work with thumbs that are drilled oval and if so how do you ensure that the oval is set correct position when inserting the molded thumb slug into a new drilled ball?  Also how are the pitches effected?  I've heard of the ultimate thumb mold system through buddies.  Anyone have any experience with going through them to do this?  Thanks in advance for input.

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 10:52:46 AM »
I've sworn by molds for years and I have an oval thumb.  The oval is lined up correctly each time.  There is a groove in the back of the sleeve that the mold is poured into.  This allows you to put the groove on your centerline and which will give you the proper angle for the oval.

I recently switched to Vise IT because of a problem with my molds.  I only have one master to mold.  Thus I can only pour one mold at a time.  The problem that I've experienced is how the molds cure.  Being a staff player, I often drill multiple balls in the same day.  When I've done this, I've noticed a difference in how the molds fit.  The mold material cures differently based on the climate of the shop.  Variations in temperature and humidity will make a difference in how fast they cure and ultimately give some variation in the finished product.  It's nothing that can't be touched up and slightly worked out, but you should know that not all molds will be "exact".  

The IT system is a great system. Much more durable than previous attempts at interchangeable thumbs.  There can be variation from ball to ball with the IT also since the slugs are finished off by hand.

Right now, I'm experimenting with IT.  It's going well.  The only thing I have to get used to is the slug itself.  I'm used to the slick feel and quick release of Quick Plug which is what I make my molds out of.

It's your call... If you have a specific ball where the bevel is just right and you like that feel, I'd say mold it.  That was the whole reason I went to molds years ago.  If you think you can replicate the same thumb across two, three or four IT slugs then go with the IT.
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Goof1073

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 11:00:31 AM »
I've utilized a mold in my own equipment for the past few years and love it.  Make the mold itself is very easy once you pick the ball you want to mold, provided you utilize a thumb slug, if not there will be added steps involved:

- Draw a centerline and make a mark on the back of you thumb along your centerline (this is critical as this mark will be used to line up the molds upon installation - keeping your angles and pitches correct).
- You place the supplied damn over your thumb skug, align it to the slug and place some putting around it to seel it off.
- If the thumb hole is particullary deep you will have to put paper towel, napkins, etc. to take up the extra depth as the supplied material only goes so far.  You also have to make a choice about how much tape you want to leave behind / have in your mold.  Yes it will mold the shape / bulk of tape, but the texture isn't totally right so I would remove at least 2 pieces if you utilize that much.
- Utilize the supplied casting material / applicator (think of two part epoxy) and put the material in your thumb, making sure to fill it slowly enough to release any trapped air pockets.
- Wait the required amount of time and then you have a mold of your thumb from which you can make the castings.  

Now the mold was made to the pitches that were in the original ball.  So when drilling your new ball you just put the same pitches in that ball and the casting will have the correct pitches, provided you didn't want to change.

To put the casting into the ball I just sanded the 1-1/4 hole an extra amount to allow room for the epoxy and sand the outside of the casting to help promote adhesion.  I utilize a 5 minute epoxy which allows you time to get the casting lined up in the hole.  Once the epoxy has set up you just make sure the casting is flush to the surface of the ball, sand the top of the casting to your liking, add and tape and go to town.

The only issue I have with the system is that the mold seems to swell overtime and as such your castings will start to get *slightly* larger over time...but it does take a good amount of casting for that to happen.

Also if you like the tought of the inter-changle thumb systems they do make a sleeve that will accept a thumb casting so you can combine the two ideas together.
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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »
Has anyone made a video of this process. Sounds complicated but I bet it is much simpler once you have seen it.

Thanks

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 01:47:10 PM »
Make a Mold and Put it In a iT

Problem sloved

I have both casue make a mold casue me $0.50 vs go to my proshop and get it replace for $20



Buddies Mold works great make one and get a gallon of wizzard and you don't have to buy slugs anymore.
Only bad thing with Vise Mold is that it does not make a vent hole. I am trying to make my own sleeve with a vent. Donkee used to have one but no one knows who owns it now

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 03:39:05 PM »
About 2 years ago I tried the molded thumb.  I also swear by them. Since I purchased the first one, I have put them in all my older balls and any new ones that I purchase.  It very important that you get your best fitting thumb for them to make a mold from. I have not experienced the swelling of the mold as goof1073 did, but I'm buying them from a pro shop and not doing it myself.
The ball is measured as usual, the hole is drilled to your spec's and the thumb molded is glued inside, it's done.  What I like about them, is when you change balls during league, the next ball thumb feels the same as the ball I was using.  No extra tape in one and not as much, or more in the next.  I'm sure that is why alot of bowlers use that "Interchangeable Thumb",  same feeling from ball to ball.

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 03:43:42 PM »
Use'm, like'um..

Call up my local pro and tell him what ball I want. Ball is drilled and ready to throw. No adjustments needed..


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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 03:47:56 PM »
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 I'm sure that is why alot of bowlers use that "Interchangeable Thumb",  .

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I think the Pros use tape and want the same feel and same amount of tape inside the ball.
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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 04:59:33 PM »
Last year i went from Griploc interchangable slugs to the thumb mold using a combination of Vise's Exacticator system and Wizard Ball plug.  Its pretty simple as others have described to make the mold and cast a thumb slug using Wizard plug. Wizard plug allows you to make a slug in about a half an hour so for myself I make a bunch ahead of time so they are nice and hard.  I have tried it on one ball with the Turbo Switch grip system cause you can get the inner sleeve blank with no slug installed and it will fit a 1 1/4" thumb slug so you can make a mold of your favorite thumb, make a 1 1/4" thumb slug from that mold, epoxy it into the blank sleeve and boom..you've got a thmub mold in an interchangable insert...the best of both worlds.

Give the mold a try, you'll love it.

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 05:17:32 PM »
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 I'm sure that is why alot of bowlers use that "Interchangeable Thumb",  .

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I think the Pros use tape and want the same feel and same amount of tape inside the ball.
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Exactly why I love interchangeable thumbs.  When I'm changing balls, I want to have the same feel in the next ball, and I'd prefer to do it without having to fine-tune the amount of tape in the ball and how it's located in there.  Since I'm pretty picky about how snug or loose my thumbhole is (I make minor adjustments on the sides of my thumbhole with Frankentape all the time!), this makes it much easier for me to change balls when I move pairs in a tournament and the shot is totally different, etc.

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 05:25:01 PM »
I tried them years ago. The thing I did not like about them was IF you needed to add some tape once the tape was taken out it left a really bad sticky residue behind. Could never get that residue out so I had all of them removed.
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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 05:49:22 PM »
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I have not experienced the swelling of the mold as goof1073...
Dave...I think that I might have just been experiencing the humidity effect that Chief described.  However, when we first starting making molds at the shop our hammer rep at the time mentioned the "swelling effect" to us so I just always assumed that's what it was.
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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 06:41:16 PM »
I have used molded thumbs on a very oval thumb, for a couple of years.  I don't
know what kind they are or anything about them, but I have never had a problem
with them of any kind.  I have had many balls drilled using them.  I have had
them done at K&K Bowling in Las Vegas.  If you call them, they will give you
all of the information.  They do a large mail business.  Every thumb they have
done for me has been perfect.

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2009, 02:01:54 AM »
What effect does having tape in your thumb hole when you make the mold have on the size of the hole when you make the slug?  Is it better to remove the tape?

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Re: Thumb molds
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 06:57:24 AM »
Strike, I guess it would have to rely on whether your thumb swells to the point where you have to take all the tape out of your thumb in order to bowl.  You can leave some tape in your thumb your making a mold of and it will copy the size and texture of the tape so when you make a slug, you get the tape in there as well.  Its not as grippy (spelling) as a real piece of tape, but you could use it as a guide for placing more tape.  Obviously if you leave tape in there when you make a mold, the size of the thumbhole will be smaller if there wasnt any tape.  My suggestion is to take all the tape out of the thumb you are copying, then you wont have any problems down the road.

Just an FYI for anyone, BrunsNick's website has a set of pictures showing the process to make a mold, make a slug and install it into a ball.  Pretty straightforward.

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