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TDC57

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Thumb pitch
« on: December 18, 2015, 02:55:35 PM »
I am going to the Vise-IT system in my four main bowling balls. As I look forward to getting the work done, I've been thinking about my thumb pitches. I'm a lefty with spans of 4 3/4 on my ring finger and 4 5/8 on the middle finger. I currently have 1/4 reverse and 0 lateral. I know everyone has their own feelings on forward or reverse pitch. I used a ball the other day that had a span far shorter than mine and had pitches that were 1/8 reverse and 1/8 right. I had no problems throwing that ball. It made me start to wonder if I should make some changes in my stuff. Is going to 1/8 reverse in my ball which has a considerably longer span than the ball I tried the other day, a safe amount for my span and what would I expect if I went to side pitch other than zero? I would appreciate any advice!!

 

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2015, 02:08:12 PM »
I think that sites like this are good for sharing information like which local proshops are recommended, what the factory surface grits are for different balls, etc.  I don't think it is a coincidence that with the advent of the internet, more bowlers are better educated about the game than in the past.  I think most bowlers realize that there is going to be several different opinions/answers for their questions and that they have to evaluate and choose the answers that best fit their situation.  Most of the bowlers on this forum are probably above the USBC median average of 167 and probably have some experience to help them make an evaluation.

I agree though that bowlers should see a qualified proshop for help with their fit and qualified coaching for help with their game.  With coaching, there is a system in place for teaching and evaluating the knowledge level of coaches, but what of the ball drillers?  How does the average bowler know if their local proshop is really qualified?  Someone who learned to drill 30 years ago may not have kept his knowledge level up to the recent changes in the sport.  Sharing info on which proshops in each area are recommended is one small step that is provided by sites like this.

I think the next step in this sport is for the bad ball drillers to be weeded out or re-educated in the latest tech but that is going to have to come from the industry itself.
It won't be done by this site.

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2015, 02:12:44 PM »
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot assume they are thirsty nor can you make them thirsty...
Luke there are way smarter individuals on here than you or I and strangely enough none of them do this for a living...
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2015, 02:38:07 PM »
Where oh where is that like button . .

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot assume they are thirsty nor can you make them thirsty...
Luke there are way smarter individuals on here than you or I and strangely enough none of them do this for a living...
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2015, 10:03:00 PM »
Thanks to all who commented on my post. I'm sorry some found it a way to take shots at each other. I'm going to stick to the original reason for going to the Vise-IT system. That being to have one slug a smaller size when cold WI weather or lack of fluids intake leave me with a smaller than usual thumb and one my like my current size for when the weather is warm or I have a larger thumb. As far as pitches, after reading all the input, I'm going to stick with my current pitches. Thanks again for the comments!

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 07:02:42 AM »
Quote from JustRico on 12/19/15.  "Lefty50 you're an idiot and I truly give two s**ts of your feelings or opinions...I am glad I annoy you...."

Nice talk (not) especially this time of year when we should be filled with joy and happiness.
Is this kind of talk what this site has become?  I hope not!

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2015, 10:50:21 AM »
Quote from JustRico on 12/19/15.  "Lefty50 you're an idiot and I truly give two s**ts of your feelings or opinions...I am glad I annoy you...."

Nice talk (not) especially this time of year when we should be filled with joy and happiness.
Is this kind of talk what this site has become?  I hope not!
so are we no supposed to be filled with Joy and Happiness outside of December?

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2015, 11:05:47 AM »
So me making a disparaging remark is worse than someone giving invalidated advise? Sorry it's hard to look away when bad advise is given whether the person 'likes' me or otherwise nor the time of the year...
I guess since its Xmas lets all give bad advise and just smile & say 'merry Xmas!'
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2015, 11:33:51 AM »
So me making a disparaging remark is worse than someone giving invalidated advise? Sorry it's hard to look away when bad advise is given whether the person 'likes' me or otherwise nor the time of the year...
I guess since its Xmas lets all give bad advise and just smile & say 'merry Xmas!'
spot on

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2015, 12:56:12 PM »
I've been bowling since about 1960 and a lot of things have changed in that time.  A lot of advise that was given over the years is now considered 'wrong' and some of the 'wrong' things then are now considered to be 'correct', so I don't see how any of us can criticize each others advise. 

When I started bowling, it was wrong of me to throw a semi-roller as the correct way was to throw a full-roller, or so I was told.  Beginning bowlers had to go through a process of grips - start with a conventional and when you got the basics down, you could move up to a semi-fingertip and if you got your average up to a certain level, you could then move on to the full-stretched-fingertip grip with excessive reverse.  That was the 'expert' advise back then and it has changed just a wee bit nowadays.  How many drillers are encouraging the use of semi-fingertip grips these days or stretched fingertips?

I was always concerned about my track because I could never get that tight ring that you were supposed to get.  I had a lot of flare in some of my bowling balls (not all for some strange reason) and the advanced bowlers kept telling me that that was wrong, that there should be no separation in the flare rings so I got rid of some bowling balls because I couldn't keep the rings tight on those.

Youth bowlers were not supposed to keep throwing with both hands after a certain age or strength limit was reached.  You were supposed to learn how to release the ball with only one arm/hand.  Plenty of young bowlers were advised not to continue to bowl with that method as it was not the correct way to bowl.

This game keeps evolving and that means that the advise will continue to evolve to keep up with the game.  As I said, I don't know how we can know what is really right or wrong for each other in that case.  Thirty years from now a lot of what we consider correct will no longer be thought of that way.  What will always be wrong will be to use personal attacks against each other, to be internet bullies or trolls.  That, I hope, will not change.



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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2015, 01:24:25 PM »
Individual opinion vs actual advise can be as descructive as anything...basing fact off of opinion on a social media page is not even remotely the same
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2015, 01:30:29 PM »
Just Rico & tkkshop
You guys have been drinking your own Kool Aid for to long.  Stop acting like D.T. Jr's to other people because you don't like or agree with their post.
Make your counter-point, but don't call people names and don't pride yourself in purposely annoying others and enjoying it. It's not right this time of year or anytime of the year.

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2015, 01:35:12 PM »
Dude if you knew what you were talking about it it may be relevant but since this is social media and too much hyperbole is prevalent it's comical that you've joined into this 'discussion' while the original instigator has vanished....
The attack started with 'your' friend, I merely responded...
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2015, 01:37:33 PM »
Just Rico & tkkshop
You guys have been drinking your own Kool Aid for to long.  Stop acting like D.T. Jr's to other people because you don't like or agree with their post.
Make your counter-point, but don't call people names and don't pride yourself in purposely annoying others and enjoying it. It's not right this time of year or anytime of the year.
who did I attack?

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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2015, 01:46:29 PM »
This is what this site has become...you have noncredible individuals giving misinformation and if anyone of knowledge questions it, they attack and attempt to discredit...this is why so many have left and all that's here is mass amounts of misinformation....plain & simple
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Re: Thumb pitch
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2015, 01:52:54 PM »
Unfortunately, Rico's last post is spot on.