Author Topic: Thumb pitch problem-help needed (Read 5860 times)

1fife · « **on:** September 11, 2003, 04:02:43 PM »

well i have a hang spot in my thumb. It was there last year, but not as bad as this year. I have been searching for the right thumb pitch for 2 years.

if my thumb hole was a clock
its rubbing at 11:30-10:00

i bevel alot, but that doesnt seem to do the trick
i have tried
3/16-3/8 reverse
and
1/8 under to 1/8 away

all seems bad
i realize everyone will say-go to less reverse, but why would that cause the ball to hang where it does.

i drill my own stuff-only ever seem to have problems with myself
span(cut to cut)
4 5/16 for ring finger and 4 3/16 for middle
im right handed
grips(both 3/4) turbo soft ovel 1/4 reverse on both and both pitch 5/16
thumb 63/64

last two balls drilled
3/8 reverse 1/8 away
5/16 reverse 1/8 under

both seemed equally bad

could a finger pitch help?

WELL?
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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

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Edited on 9/12/2003 2:23 PM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2003, 07:34:31 AM »

1Fife,

I have trouble giving advice to someone with your profile.

But what should be your lateral pitch? Coke Bottle test?

Also on bevel have you seen the tips Mo Pinel gave me on the drilling section titled "What Mo Pinel taught me about bevel" I thought what he showed me was great.

I rarely hang (well except for last night???)

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS based on what you are saying it is side bevel but front is propably fine!
Also your reverse pitch is in the right area too. Maybe a slight bit forward is perfect but not if your thumb is stiff or you hang.

1fife · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:45:09 AM »

coke bottle
between first finger and middle, but closer to first

which points to 1/8 away

and i bevel just like mo says

ring finger only in hole and release themb
then middle finger only and release thumb

AND WHATS WRONG WITH MY PROFILE

i talked to lots friends and they give advice. seems like locals anll think the same way-maybe a view outside of the window would work. Or maybe someone has had sme problem and came to a solution
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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2003, 09:54:27 AM »

Nothing the matter with profile, just thinking of how I bowled last night in league versus your impressive average and profile! (Should I be giving advice!?)

It just sounds like going 0 lateral might work also, like maybe you have a little too much reverse. And it sounds if you are hanging in the 10 to 11:30 area like it is a middle finger test/side bevel area.

Regards,

Luckylefty

stringer · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:26:12 AM »

You are probably hanging worse this year because of the warm weather causing you thumb to swell or be tacky. The location of the hang implies to me that
you will need to make the hole larger in that area. 3/8 rev and 1/8 away should make you fly out of the thumb if the hole size is correct. If so, then you are probably squeezing another cause of hanging and thumb swelling. We have the same span and rev pitches on fingers, but I use 1/8 away and 1/8 rev for my thumb. I have even used 0 rev and 1/8 away. It is very important to have a relaxed grip and reducing reverse helps with that.

1fife · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:41:39 AM »

the mo finger test doesnt feel bad when im at home-just seems to get worst as the night go one(or the lights turn on)

thumb swelling-it does and i have to take about 2 pieces out as the night goes on(always have had to)

squeezing-probably have always have, but this year i thoguht that may have been the major problem and have relaxed my thumb-still happens

i have a huge bevel in the area of problem and thnumb is not close to round anymore. oblong (sp?) in shape

should i try more under or more away than 1/8?

hate to say it-more reverse

i have tried (experimented) with 1/8 reverse only and 0 lat and that didnt seem to be better.

since i have went either way from 1/8-3/8 reverse and 1/8 lat both ways, im thinking maybe i need to try more?

i have all the equipment, so im game to try anything(its not like plug material cost much)

this sucks, my game is suffering big time
i have big expectations and small performance

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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

Edited on 9/12/2003 10:51 AM

TECH SUPPORT · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:43:02 AM »

This is just some thoughts,Is the span correct?You said you have had problems hanging before.I think that if you tried 0 lateral that would take care of the 10.30 hang.
Do you oval the hole or have tri ovals.if so is the angle right.should you be using ovals.

I have seen people who have gained wieght and develope hanging problem.Did you?

maybe you body is changing and thus you may need a new fitting.Try and stick you thumb in the thumb hole and see where your fingers lay across the finger holes.Is the first crease even or past the inside part of the grips.Tension in the hand can cause you to hang,have you tried a CLT drilling"realy makes the hand more relaxed" These are just some ideas from out side of the window.

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I have taught you every thing I know and you still dont know DICK.

1fife · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2003, 10:46:44 AM »

checked span again yesturday

center of finger grip in directly between the crease in finger

i have tried shortening span by as much as 1/8 inch and lengthening it by 1/8 to no help

weight, well some, but not much

maybe i should drop ring a little or lengthen the middle a little and give it a try.
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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2003, 11:02:44 AM »

Well, one more thought.

Next time you go and practice, bring a bevel knife and bevel as thumb swells?!

Just a thought, if it is good on bench but not at alleys!

REgards,

Luckylefty

T-GOD · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2003, 11:06:16 AM »

1fife,

1. Where are you hanging on the thumb..?

2. Where are you callous's..?

3. After putting your fingers in the ball first, as you drop your thumb in the hole, does the back of your knuckle hit against the back of the hole..?

4. Do you also feel the top front edge of the hole, pinching at the inside base of your thumb..?

5. Can you feel the sides of your thumb touching the sides of the thumb hole, more than the front and back of the thumb, when your thumb is inside the hole..?

After answering these questions, I will be able to suggest a recommendation for you. =:^D

stringer · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2003, 11:34:27 AM »

Which thumb slug are you using? There are vynl and urethane, the urethane makes for a quicker, smoother release.

JohnP · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2003, 11:38:44 AM »

1fife -- You did not tell us if you use a thumb insert. The resin balls can "bleed" inside the thumbhole, causing stickiness, especially in combination with a damp, swelling thumb. I recommend that my customers use either an insert or a slug on these balls. -- JohnP

1fife · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2003, 12:39:00 PM »

t god

ill think about them and answer in a bit

slugs-
well some balls have them and some not, to ne honest i have never seen much difference.
I plug and redrill thumbs all the time, some have slugs-some not

i sell all balls i dont like and it easier to not have slugs-easier to slug it and sell for new customer(ball looks new-no plug)

so i have slug and not, but all balls are doing the same thing-hanging
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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

1fife · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:18:20 PM »

i had a typo-which i fixed

im right haneded

ring 4 5/16 and middle 4 3/16

sorry for the typo(i just typed in span and assumed everyone knew which was which-heck didnt even say if right handed, no drop finger

)
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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

1fife · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2003, 05:48:30 PM »

quote:
1fife,

SIDE NOTE_MY THUMB IS NOT VERY FLEXILBE-short stubby little thing(yah i heard all the jokes already)

1. Where are you hanging on the thumb..? when im releasing the ball on the front(closest to fingers) left

2. Where are you callous's..? back left and right in front-none really bad. My thumb looks good, not like some of the ugly bowlers thumbs ive seen

3. After putting your fingers in the ball first, as you drop your thumb in the hole, does the back of your knuckle hit against the back of the hole..? no front hits(in 10:30-11 area), then i can feel the back(in the7:00) area-

4. Do you also feel the top front edge of the hole, pinching at the inside base of your thumb..? yes

5. Can you feel the sides of your thumb touching the sides of the thumb hole, more than the front and back of the thumb, when your thumb is inside the hole..? yes, but left more than right

After answering these questions, I will be able to suggest a recommendation for you. =:^D

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Dont swing it-if you cant bring it

When in doubt-swing it out

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