Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 01:06:51 AM
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 10, 2008, 09:56:13 AM
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Edited as a result of brain fart.
Edited on 3/10/2008 12:14 PM
Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on March 10, 2008, 09:59:46 AM
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Greg T.
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 10:39:55 AM
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i know for fingers you go towards the pain with the pitch. as for the thumb, try to oval it out a little more. where is your pain?
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I have a callus that is painful at times.
If I laid my hand on a table palm side down, the inside of the thumb, towards the top, next to the nail. I'm thinking my lateral pitch may be off and causing this but not sure. I have 3/16 under plam pitch.
Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on March 10, 2008, 10:43:08 AM
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 10:49:45 AM
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is that 3/16 pitch forward or reverse (forward towards center of grip and revers is away form the center)? and what is your lateral pitch and is it left or right?
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I have 1/4" reverse thumb pitch and 3/16" under palm lateral pitch.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 10, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
If with your hand in the ball you have a callous near the tip on the side of thumb...it sounds like if by inside you mean what I think you do....then this indicates probably too much right lateral.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS most of us can accomodate at least 1/8 of an inch difference either way if not more from our anatomical ideal lateral pitch(even more if finger lateral pitches are moved with the lateral thumb move).
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Post by: JohnP on March 10, 2008, 10:56:00 AM
Edited on 3/10/2008 10:57 AM
Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on March 10, 2008, 10:58:56 AM
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 11:06:28 AM
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a good way to figure out lateral pitch is through flexibility of ones thumb. if you are right handed, right lateral will get you out of the ball sooner. have someone else (you can't do it yourself) pull your thumb across to your pinky finger. if you can easily reach it, usually means 1/4 or 1/8 lateral to the left because they have a more flexible thumb. obviously vise versa if you cant reach it. Generally, short and stocky people with thicker and smaller hands cannot reach it and have right lateral to help them get out of the ball sooner.
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I can touch every one of my fingers with my thumb when doing it myself.
Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 11:07:41 AM
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Usually a blackened tip of the nail indicates too much or too little lateral.
If with your hand in the ball you have a callous near the tip on the side of thumb...it sounds like if by inside you mean what I think you do....then this indicates probably too much right lateral.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS most of us can accomodate at least 1/8 of an inch difference either way if not more from our anatomical ideal lateral pitch(even more if finger lateral pitches are moved with the lateral thumb move).
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If I change my 3/16" under palm lateral pitch to like 1/8" or 1/6" under, do I need to change my 1/4 reverse thumb pitch? Do I need to change my span at all?
Post by: LFSoccer2k6 on March 10, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 11:15:39 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 10, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
When I go near 0 lateral I have difficulty holding on to the ball and find I need to go forward from my current reverse position.
For me 1/16, 1/16 moves seem to work.
Ie if I am 1/4 inch reverse and 1/4 left(my lateral under palm position).
if I move to 0 lateral I also end up very close to 0 forward reverse as that increases my holding power to compensate for the reduction in holding power by going with the lateral out adjustment.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 02:51:07 PM
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Ummmmm...I don't find this to be true! I DO have a thumb that wants to be lateral under palm is my natural spot and about 1/4 to 5/16!!
When I go near 0 lateral I have difficulty holding on to the ball and find I need to go forward from my current reverse position.
For me 1/16, 1/16 moves seem to work.
Ie if I am 1/4 inch reverse and 1/4 left(my lateral under palm position).
if I move to 0 lateral I also end up very close to 0 forward reverse as that increases my holding power to compensate for the reduction in holding power by going with the lateral out adjustment.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Lucky that does seem to make some sense. By going with less lateral under pitch the ball should fly off the thumb quicker.
I'm at 1/4" reverse and 3/16" lateral under. If I go with 1/16" lateral under I should probably change from 1/4" reverse to 1/8"?
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 10, 2008, 02:54:51 PM
I have not tried it on others.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I usually place most at their anatomically correct setting for lateral.
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Post by: chitown on March 10, 2008, 07:47:34 PM
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that formula works for ME.
I have not tried it on others.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I usually place most at their anatomically correct setting for lateral.
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Lucky, i'm just not sure what my anatomically correct setting is for my hand/thumb lateral pitch. I don't really understand that Coke bottle test. I can grab the bottle differently and still feel comfortable. So I think for me it's best to just use trial and error to get it right.
I thought I had my grip all figured out!
I have a black hammer urethane that i'm going to use as my experiment for trying out some different pitches ect... Maybe I can perfect my grip for the last time!
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 10, 2008, 08:20:15 PM
A few years a ago, an old school driller had me in a stretched span and the thumb was around 1/4 reverse and 1/8 right (into the palm). I made a few small changes before I began drilling my own (mostly just in the span because IT HURT!). However, since drilling my own, I have continued making small changes, and each time it feels better. I am currently at 1/2 forward and 1/4 left (away from palm). My hand is not any different today than it was a few years ago. The ball feels better in my hand now than it ever did, and my rev rate has gone up without hitting up on the ball. My thumb is what I would consider "very flexible" (for whatever it's worth).
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Jon (in Ohio)
aka: Rico Swerve~
Post by: azguy on March 10, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
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Post by: chitown on March 11, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
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I know it's against most line of thought, but I have to have Left Lat, thumb just rubs to much not to. I think most would feel better if they had more left lat. JMO.
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Roger a couple years ago I tried lateral away from the palm and it rubbed the crap out of my thumb. It just hurt to much to roll the ball with that lateral pitch.
I'm at 3/16 under palm lateral and it's a tad bit too much I think. I'm going to try 1/16 under palm or 1/8 under. I think that will be good for me.
Now im going to continue my experiment with a new grip. I have an old black urethane hammer that i'm going to use for the experiement. Hopefully I can come up with a really good grip. Not saying my current grip is bad but would like to see if a more relaxed grip could be better?
Post by: Gazoo on March 11, 2008, 09:03:04 AM
Post by: azguy on March 11, 2008, 09:06:28 AM
Over the past year also had more go to more reverse in the pitch ( under ) and they say, they feel better. I hate to make just one change, but it ALL depends on the thumb/fingers flexibility, swelling or not and skin.
Good Luck on the changes. IMO, you have to make a change every now and then. Your joints change, swelling/no swelling happens and if you don't keep up with the changes you'll hurt in the end.
JMO
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Post by: chitown on March 11, 2008, 03:28:33 PM
Thanks Ron.