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NACDale

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Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« on: August 02, 2004, 05:45:43 PM »
I am a Right Handed Bowler.

Span is 4" .

With a 0 deg forward/Reverse and 3/16 left thumb pitch.

based on Others experience, what will 0 deg l/r do to the release??

Will it make me come around the ball or more up the back??

Thoughts???

Dale

 

LuckyLefty

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2004, 09:01:37 AM »
Easier to come around side as thumb rotates from thumb out lateral (left for righty to thumb under lateral(right for righty).

However, your question is the wrong question.

The correct question is what is the CORRECT lateral pitch for me?

Take the coke can test as a starting point.

Grab a coke bottle or can Naturally.  Without posing Where does your thumb point?.

If at
Index finger = 1/8 lateral out(left for righty)
Between index and middle = 0
Middle finger = 1/8 lateral under palm right for righty
BEtween middle and ring = 1/4 lateral under palm
Ring finger = 3/8 lateral under palm right for righty left for lefty.

This is your true anatomical starting point.  Adjustments to roll are made off this base.

Good Lucky...

Lefty


Edited on 8/3/2004 8:57 AM
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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2004, 09:15:55 AM »
Thing I am noticing is that I am getting a little wear spot on the left side of my thumb. Its hard to tell if it is because of too much left pitch or not enough. The laws of Physics could work both ways.

Depends on how it is rubbing upon release.

Dale

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2004, 09:24:24 AM »
Don't do the test, keep pondering in open space.

Where is rubbing high or low?  On leftside In ball while on drill table with ball facing up or on left side of thumb while throwing ball.

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2004, 09:28:48 AM »
it is on the left while looking at the top of my hand. It is rubbing in the middle of the thumb on the joint.  



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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2004, 09:31:43 AM »
I'm not getting it?  Hamd in ball on table or hand just laying on a table?

Have you grabbed a coke bottle yet?  Where does thumb point?

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NACDale

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2004, 11:04:45 AM »
as far as the hand thing....while on top of the ball....hand in.

coke can test...

Thumb points to the left of the index Finger....

which says to me...i need ALOT left..

Dale

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2004, 11:33:37 AM »
Above the middle finger?  Yep you are probably one of the few that really NEEDS left.  Maybe a little more even if you are rubbing on that side.  Move away from the rub.  You will now be even more up the back.

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2004, 11:50:49 AM »
I would like to clarify a little "driller's lingo".  We look at a ball with the finger holes "up" and the thumb hole "down".  To us, the left side of the thumb is the side that touches the left of the thumb hole when oriented as above.  Thus, the left side of the thumb is what most non-drillers think of as the "right" side.  The left side is the side that, if you lay your hand out flat on a solid surface, is next to the index finger.  The callous you see on many thumbs, on the outside of the knuckle, is on the right side of the thumb to us.  --  JohnP

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2004, 12:07:14 PM »
Cool...Ive always felt that If I go more left it will make me come out of the ball better...Meaning more up the back of the ball.

John...I do Do some drilling at my friends pro shop. (on my own stuff only)

I just want to clarify that if you have a pitch at 0 l/r and 0 f/r. Whatever you come out of the ball is the baseline.

You take the thumb and leave it at 0 F/R and go like 1/4 Left you SHOULD come up the back of the ball more???

Thanks

Dale

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2004, 12:44:16 PM »
Dale -- More left pitch.  First, you should be sure that's what your hand requires.  The objective is to get the pitches that are right for YOUR hand.  If your hand requires more left pitch, it will make it easier to release the ball smoothly while "coming up the back" more.  But whether or not you actually do come up the back more is a function of how you release the ball, not how the pitches are set.  (The proper pitches enable you to come up the back, but do not automatically result in you coming up the back.)  --  JohnP

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2004, 02:31:19 PM »
JohnP...Check your messages..

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2004, 02:56:34 PM »
This is always interesting to me.

Very seldom do I see thumbs that point at the index finger but sometimes I do.

Often when a person points above the index finger they are posing because they want a certain result.  BUT, not always.

Bill Taylor who created this test believed that about 90% of people had thumbs that should be lateral under palm or right.

The importance of this angle is that each hand has it's own angle that is proper for it's anatomy.  If one does not have the hole at this correct angle one will get biting at the tip of the thumbnail which will cause a small almost blood bruise under the nail.

For example if one has a lateral under thumb(right) and drills left they will  get a biting of the nail corner on the right tip of the thumb.  

Once a proper pitch is obtained adjustments of no more than a quarter make sense.

For me that points almost to my ring finger in the coke bottle test anything less than an 1/8 left(I'm lefty) lateral makes it difficult for me to have holding power!

Another test that AMF drilling tables talk about is grabbing a pen off a table with your two middle fingers and the thumb. Where does the thumb point.  Again I am near ring finger.

The final method which is talked about lately in the drilling forum is the fitting ball and one makes sure the thumb comes out without dragging on one side more than the other guaranteeing a great fit and the proper lateral pitch and if not draggin front or back the proper span and forward reverse pitch of the thumb!

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Luckylefty
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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2004, 03:11:32 PM »
hmm, I need to try this!  Since returning to bowling, especially with my new equipment, I've been noticing a callous developing on the upper part (pinching the nail) of my thumb (right handed so side with problem is near the index finger).  After talking to tenpinspro, he suggested I try 1/8 lateral out.  To my surprise, I performed the coke test mentioned and sure enough, the position of my thumb (according to your chart) equates to 1/8 lateral out.

I'm going to get one of my "slugged" balls and give it a try.

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NACDale

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Re: Thumb Pitch Thoughts.....
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2004, 03:25:44 PM »
To give you an idea about my hand and fingers..

I have a hard time snapping with my thumb and middle finger...It can barely touch the middle finger


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