Author Topic: Thumbhole on the MB? (Read 7625 times)

Juggernaut · « **on:** June 23, 2017, 02:02:45 PM »

I like the urethane type reaction, and have been looking at adding a modern urethane ball.

I noticed that RotoGrip has announced an upcoming release, the Hot Cell, which is supposed to be pure urethane with a stronger core, but it is asymmetric in nature, and I do not tend to get along well with asymms.

I know drilling out the MB makes it stronger, but what overall effect will it have from putting it in the thumbhole?

Rollier? Earlier?

Had a symmetric reactive once that rolled up with the thumb as the psa at the pindeck, and I really liked that ball a lot. Just wondered if putting the MB in the thumbhole would tend to make an asymmetric want to do that?

billdozer · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2017, 02:40:48 PM »

idk im putting my favorite layout on it if i drill it. IF i drill it lol

Impending Doom · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2017, 02:45:27 PM »

In theory it increases the intermediate diff, since you're making the assymetry bigger, but since the MB on a symmetrical ends up in the thumb, it should smooth out the shape.

But urethane is going to do that with cover, so maybe it would make it too smooth? What do you usually not like about assymetricals?

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2017, 04:32:53 PM »

Quote from: Impending Doom on June 23, 2017, 02:45:27 PM

In theory it increases the intermediate diff, since you're making the assymetry bigger, but since the MB on a symmetrical ends up in the thumb, it should smooth out the shape.

But urethane is going to do that with cover, so maybe it would make it too smooth? What do you usually not like about assymetricals?

I agree. Thumb hole in MB increases overall dynamics, which means the ID is larger; so, the overall differential is much larger, which, in turn, means more flare, which usually means, for any dull ball, sooner/earlier lane grab. Maybe not the best thing for a what is normally an early rolling coverstock, already merged with a strong core.

This whole ball design makes me wonder what in Roto-Grip's corporate mind when they decided to market this ball. I'm not sure I understand its intended market niche.

BradleyInIrving · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2017, 05:25:35 PM »

Charlest - my guess in RG's mind would be they want something to corner harder than the Pitch Black..

Impending Doom · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2017, 05:49:56 PM »

This reeks of the Hype urethane.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2017, 07:04:01 PM »

Quote from: BradleyInIrving on June 23, 2017, 05:25:35 PM

Charlest - my guess in RG's mind would be they want something to corner harder than the Pitch Black..

But while it's possible to use an asymmetric core to make a ball corner harder, I believe it is harder to that with a dull or early rolling coverstock like urethane. In fact, most asymmetric drillings seem, to my eyes, intended to use larger RG Differential and intermediate differential drillings in order to get more overall reaction from the ball. That is counter-indicated in the case of a urethane cover.

I suspect a tall symmetric core with a medium differential would more easily (and more cheaply) get a stronger backend from a urethane, rather than a strong core like the Hot Cell's.

Side note: the 14 lb. Hot Cell's core, with its higher RG (2.57) and low RG Diff. (.046" vs. the 15's .056") would stand a better chance of accomplishing that objective, than the low RG, high Diff of the 15 lb. core.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2017, 07:06:00 PM »

Quote from: Impending Doom on June 23, 2017, 05:49:56 PM

This reeks of the Hype urethane.

As bad as that ball was to get any length whatsoever, I think this ball may be 20x worse. Maybe guys with Jesper-like ball speed maybe able to use it on some conditions, with very special drillings.

DP3 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2017, 07:28:02 PM »

For all of the 2 handed freaks out there on Storm/Roto staff, they now have a Urethane options that they can truly have a lot of layout options on. Jesper Svenson carries 8-9 urethanes at a time. He might be unbeatable with a piece like the Hot Cell.

northface28 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2017, 07:43:19 PM »

Quote from: charlest on June 23, 2017, 04:32:53 PM

Quote from: Impending Doom on June 23, 2017, 02:45:27 PM
In theory it increases the intermediate diff, since you're making the assymetry bigger, but since the MB on a symmetrical ends up in the thumb, it should smooth out the shape.

But urethane is going to do that with cover, so maybe it would make it too smooth? What do you usually not like about assymetricals?

I agree. Thumb hole in MB increases overall dynamics, which means the ID is larger; so, the overall differential is much larger, which, in turn, means more flare, which usually means, for any dull ball, sooner/earlier lane grab. Maybe not the best thing for a what is normally an early rolling coverstock, already merged with a strong core.

This whole ball design makes me wonder what in Roto-Grip's corporate mind when they decided to market this ball. I'm not sure I understand its intended market niche.

Jesper Svenson, that's who this ball is for.

northface28 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2017, 07:46:09 PM »

Quote from: DP3 on June 23, 2017, 07:28:02 PM

For all of the 2 handed freaks out there on Storm/Roto staff, they now have a Urethane options that they can truly have a lot of layout options on. Jesper Svenson carries 8-9 urethanes at a time. He might be unbeatable with a piece like the Hot Cell.

You got that right, if he's able to use this big core with 600+ rev rate with those angles on the left side, guys working the behind lanes better outfitted in full catchers gear.

ignitebowling · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2017, 08:38:00 PM »

His success will depend on the pba's choice of oil patterns not an asymmetric urethane ball.

itsallaboutme · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2017, 08:47:11 PM »

If they didn't think it would sell they would just make Jesper some balls with this core and engrave them as a Pitch Black

Impending Doom · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2017, 09:12:35 PM »

I can see it now... "How do we get Jesper to use something with a big core

Juggernaut · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2017, 04:41:12 AM »

Quote from: itsallaboutme on June 23, 2017, 08:47:11 PM

If they didn't think it would sell they would just make Jesper some balls with this core and engrave them as a Pitch Black

Yeah, and call it the TOUR EDITION if anybody were to ever find out.

I heard about a company that used to make "special" balls that really weren't available to the public, and labeled them like normal balls. The only way to tell was they put different pin colors in the different models.

I've always heard stories from "back in the day" about stuff like this going on. Taking one ball and re-labeling it to make it look like something else. One story seems to have involved a "mis-labeled" yellow dot that ended up having three dots on it. Don't know if it was the truth or not, but it was related to me as such, by someone who really might've known.

Back when the old PBA forums were still up, some of the older guys were easy to get to talk to, and you heard some real inside stuff at times. Lots of good truth was lost when they went away.

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