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MegaMav

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Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« on: April 12, 2006, 03:18:14 AM »
im looking for the ball to be my medium oil ball, first ball out of the bag.

play it inside, clear the heads, to outside and hard arc to the pocket(not snap).

i was thinking...

4" Pin to PAP (between 1E & 2E)
3½" MB to PAP

does it matter if the PIN to PAP is not closer than MB to PAP?

i cant for the life of me understand what "forward roll" means on Mo Pineal's Asymmetric Layout Chart

im not sure if thats what i really want, i get decent axis rotation (30°-60°) and medium revs.

anyone have a suggestion?

here is a picture of the proposed layout...

Time Zone

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 11:23:19 AM »
pin to pap determines flare......

mb location determines shape......so off the breakpoint....you'll get more of a controlled forward roll instead of the ball going sideways....
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 11:28:06 AM »
I had this smoother than I wanted baby drilled 3 3/8 with mass bias on VAL weighthole on PAP...did what you described but a little long on synthetics with box coverstock.  Archy.

A change in mass bias had an enormous effect on this ball!

Most of em come with a very complete drill sheet!

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 11:28:24 AM »
does that mean if i back off of the side rotation, this thing will be DOA at the pins and beg for a 10 pin?
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 12:32:42 PM »
The Time Zone is an excellent ball with a Strong MB that will offer you many different shapes.  Throwing 2 of these and drilling a few for friends of mine, there's things that I wouldn't recommend.

First, I would not place the pin any closer than 4" to your PAP if you want it to be your benchmark reaction.  The Time Zone has a very strong core that will spin up very fast if you put the Pin in the strongest position.  It will definately puke on impact if you max it out.

Next I wouldn't place the pin any lower than 2" above your midline.  The strength of powerkoil 18 and this motor makes it rev up in the midlane plenty.  Any added help from the drilling will lack hitting power.

I also wouldn't place the MB in the forward roll position(on or past your VAL).  It will lay off in the backend at the slightest sniff of oil if you do this, thus making it a one-game wonder type of reaction.  It'll be amazing on fresh but any form of oil down the lane will have you puzzled.

Don't get me wrong, this is an excellent ball that can do what you are looking for but it is a little drill sensitive.  What I would do is go with a 5" pin to PAP placement 3" above your midline with a 4 1/2" MB to PAP distance.  That should be plenty versatile for what you're looking for.
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2006, 12:43:46 PM »
DP3, take a look at my insite almighty (in my profile)

is that what you're talking about?

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 01:03:26 PM »
Something like that would be nice.
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 03:34:47 PM »
how about the same pin position but bring the MB line closer to 45°?
instead of 25°.

check out this guide... does everyone agree that it is accurate?

http://www.rollrite.co.uk/secrets/diag33.jpg

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 06:08:44 PM »
I agree with DP3 completely!

I have seen this flip massively or be like mine...disappointing but smooth on the right conditions.

I had a REvolution ECX with this same core and a Slightly cleaner coverstock it was the bomb on a ton of conditions...

Weaker pin and a mass bias near thumb....I LOVED it!

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2006, 06:34:51 PM »
right now the layout pictured shows 4x3½ PIN/MB to PAP

are you suggesting pin under bridge mb out 45° for:

5x4? (weak pin/strong mb)

or pin by ring finger, and MB under thumb for:

3½x5½? (strong pin/weak mb)

im beginning to narrow down the options.

its confusing to the point where im ready to throw a dart at the the drilling sheet and go for a random one

i would think the first one would be rolling as soon as it hits the heads, the 2nd one seems like the pin is so strong that the mb is virtually ignored, and will react like a symmetric ball.

what LL suggested sounds like a dry lane ball? correct me if im wrong.

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 12:12:39 AM »
Weaker than 3 3/8...Like 4 1/4...the ball covered more mediums(this was my ECX not Time Zone) than any ball I ever had or have had.

Super wet...almost bone...if it was medium and you wanted reaction it worked.

Wanted smooth I pulled out a Sledgehammer with a mass bias on VAL...similar to the Time Zone 3 3/8 and mass bias on VAL....smooth.

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 12:19:40 AM »
Time Zone

there it is... re-layed out...

4½x3½ PIN/MB to PAP

what does everyone think?

LL, DP3?

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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 12:31:11 AM »
I think your Time Zone has way cool phasing.  
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 12:34:06 AM »
My Time Zone was jet black.

It will be smooth!

Not quite the way I would do it but if you are big handed and have a lot of dry it should work...me thinks you are a low tracker.

Smootth and archy!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS what would I do with it...Almost exactly what DP3 said.  Mb closer to thumb than your drawing...pin higher and I would go with a slightly stronger pin than 5 inch pin to pap in your case...above ring!
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Re: Time Zone Asymmetric Help
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 12:34:24 AM »
thanks, its not actually that white in regular light, the flash brings it out.

its still a beauiful ball, just not as radical as the picture.