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chipmunkbowler

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To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« on: May 04, 2009, 03:11:44 AM »
what method of laying the ball out do you prefer to use?

I prefer to use the dual angle layout where you can really manipulate where the ball will roll.
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J_Mac

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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 11:22:26 AM »
I generally don't bother with the dual angle layout technique with symmetrical pieces, but I will use it as a starting point with asymmetric stuff.

On symmetrical it's all about the pin to PAP distance and the pin to VAL distance.
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chipmunkbowler

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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2009, 02:01:53 PM »
but with the dual angle method you can manupulate where the ball will roll because you can easily predict where the pin is from the VAL
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2009, 02:17:29 PM »
I know what works for me and what my PAP is....no need for any "system" unless I am trying to place the weighthole in a certain spot....and then I just weight it out after putting my grip lines on it.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 10:01:57 AM »
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I generally don't bother with the dual angle layout technique with symmetrical pieces, but I will use it as a starting point with asymmetric stuff.

On symmetrical it's all about the pin to PAP distance and the pin to VAL distance.


Symmetrical balls have a PSA as well.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 10:04:50 AM »
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I generally don't bother with the dual angle layout technique with symmetrical pieces, but I will use it as a starting point with asymmetric stuff.

On symmetrical it's all about the pin to PAP distance and the pin to VAL distance.


Symmetrical balls have a PSA as well.


Which is rarely worth taking into account before putting holes in it because it will move once you punch up the ball with 3-4 holes.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 10:17:47 AM »
Mo's dual angle layout system confuses the heck out of me.

I normally just follow the manufacturer's instructions only taking into account pin location and distance to pap, general cg placement (label, stacked, leverage), and mb location and distance to pap on asymmetrical balls.  I normally just place weight holes, if needed, on the val anywhere from 1 to 2 inches below my pap.

Is the dual angle technique really that much better to justfiy spending the time learning the layout?  Seems like a lot of hype to me...


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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 10:34:09 AM »
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but with the dual angle method you can manupulate where the ball will roll because you can easily predict where the pin is from the VAL


Why bother predicting when I can just draw a circle with a radius of 2" around the pin and know that my VAL will be a tangent line to that?

Storm's pin buffer technique works too, but the DAL technique gives the person laying out the ball more of an idea of what to expect from the layout.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 11:53:18 AM »
Ok. So in general, if P2P distance is determining flare and pin to val distance determines response to friction. What determines the strength or how soon the ball wants to pick up a roll.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 12:01:05 PM »
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I know what works for me and what my PAP is....no need for any "system" unless I am trying to place the weighthole in a certain spot....and then I just weight it out after putting my grip lines on it.
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i second that, it seems like every few months or so some bowling "genius" comes up with the next great way to drill a ball. they make punching holes in a round object as hard as an act of congress. truth is, all these so called techniques are still based off of pin to pap distance in one way or another.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 12:09:11 PM »
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i second that, it seems like every few months or so MO  comes up with the next great way to drill a ball.




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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 12:10:05 PM »
I have used all 3... I like all 3... just depends which I use on what I am trying to accomplish. The mosre specific I am about a reaction I use mo's, in general I use clock  and simplisticly, I use the angle.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 03:08:04 PM »
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but with the dual angle method you can manupulate where the ball will roll because you can easily predict where the pin is from the VAL
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Or you can use pin height over midline. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that.

yeah, you can't do that with different pin to pap distances???
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 02:31:14 PM »
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Is the dual angle technique really that much better to justfiy spending the time learning the layout?  Seems like a lot of hype to me...


Edited on 5/5/2009 10:18 AM

The dual angle layout technique isn't that complicated it's based on angles from the CG and mass bias to where your pap will be and an angle to determine your VAL.
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Re: To anyone who lays out their own balls?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2009, 12:16:48 AM »
As technical as you want your end result are the same basic layouts.

I stick with 3 to 4 drill patterns and let the equipment be the difference.

Rico layout is my newest addition to the list. Very even front lane reaction, with continuous backends. Tried it with aggressive solid reactive, medium reactive, particle pearl, and pearl reactive. Love them all.
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