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KristopherT84

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top weight
« on: October 23, 2005, 03:22:17 PM »
can somebody explain the pro's and con's and stuff about top weight. I have been bowling awhile and I am just getting ready to start drilling my own stuff and this is one thing I that I still do not totally understand.
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Re: top weight
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 10:38:31 AM »
Ball manufacturers add top weight to offset the weight removed by drilling the holes.  Most balls come with 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 oz of top weight.  This top weight can be used by the driller to create imbalance in the finger/thumb or pos/neg side sectors of the ball by locating the cg away from the grip center.  Before the introduction of dynamic cores, ending top weight, finger weight, and/or positive side weight were used to delay the break point and make it sharper.  Bottom weight, thumb weight, and/or negative side weight were used to make the ball break earlier and be more "arcy".  But with modern balls, the large affect of dynamic core orientation to the ball track has made the affect of imbalance negligible in comparison.  So in today's layouts, cg location (which determines imbalance) is primarily used first to help assure the ball's final weights are legal.  Then it is also used to allow drilling of an X-hole to modify the dynamics of the core to adjust the ball's reaction while still keeping the final weights legal.  The preceding applies to balls with symmetrical dynamic cores.  For asymmetrical cores, the imbalance is ignored other than for legality purposes and the mass bias location is used to adjust the ball's reaction.  Location of X-holes still applies.  --  JohnP

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Re: top weight
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 10:41:36 AM »
Awesome response John
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Re: top weight
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2005, 09:40:18 PM »
Deadbait -- Agreed.  But where are you going to find a ball that will give you 3 oz top weight after drilling?  Maybe you could put a massive X-hole in the bottom of the ball, but it would be hard to keep the track off it.  --  JohnP

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Re: top weight
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2005, 04:57:50 AM »
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You could notice a bit of difference between 3 oz. of TW versus 3 oz. of btm weight after drilling.    Just a thought.    You might tell a teensy bit of difference between zero TW and 3 OZ. TW after drill.


One might, but I'd bet even 90% of all the people who post here, including me wouldn't, without long detailed comparisons!
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Re: top weight
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2005, 03:42:17 PM »
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High fours(TW) is not uncommon in the warehouse


Right.  And then you drill out 3 oz and have 1 1/2 left.  Unless you're talking about a ball for a youngster with tiny fingers and not using a slug or grips.  Now, it's easy to get the high bottom weight.  Just flip the ball over and drill the back side, then use an X-hiole at the grip center to get the bottom weight down to 3 oz.  And remember the old days when less than honest folks would put lead or mercury in a plug?  --  JohnP

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Re: top weight
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »
Top weight definitely makes a difference. If you have bottom weight, the ball will tend to roll out/stop at the pocket. You'll see a difference in the way the ball carries too. =:^D

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Re: top weight
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2005, 11:36:17 PM »
I again agree with T-God, only my statement is even more extreme. I had a driller go extra deep with fingers & thumb to remove overall weight & we ended up with over 2 oz bottom weight. The ball flipped immediately & was rolled out at the arrows & went dead straight the rest of the way. We added ball plug to remove the bottom weight, of cousre total weight increased, but the ball went much longer after that. Side & finger weight may not affect the ball roll that much, but I will guarantee you that top vs bottom does.
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Re: top weight
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2005, 01:52:21 PM »
And note that I haven't disagreed about top weight affecting ball reaction.  But still wondering how to get the 3 oz after drilling you suggested.  --  JohnP

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Re: top weight
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2005, 02:15:02 PM »
JohnP,  On this ball that my ball driller went extra deep in the fingers & thumb, he actually took out nearly 8oz total. Hard to believe I know, but I use 15 lb equipment & this ball was mismarked & had actually 15lb 11oz total weight. When he finished it had just over 15lb 3 oz. The ball had 2 3/4 oz top to begin with, so you can see how it ended up with over 2oz of bottom weight. To me it could have ended up with more than that, but that's what he told me.
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Re: top weight
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2005, 10:13:57 PM »
Sawuser -- The 2 oz of bottom weight I believe.  But not 8 oz total weight removal.  I think he was pulling your leg on that.  A normal drilling will remove about 3 oz total.  If he went twice as deep as normal, that would be 6 oz.  I've never seen a drill bit that long or a press with enough throw to drill that deep.  --  JohnP

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Re: top weight
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2005, 10:39:37 PM »
OH yeah...Deadbait I'm right there also.

BAlls with 3 ounces of ending top weight(say start at 4) Have much more reaction and energy retention than balls which end up with near 0 ounces of top weight.

A nice blended TH shot loves a 2 ounce after drilling ball and gives very nice carry.

A PBA type hard transition shot often rewards the same brand and make ball that has this much top weight after drilling with not many pocket hits.

Balls that instead end up closer to 0 ounces after drilling are great on WTC and PBA shots!  SMOOTH EVEN REACTION!

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Luckylefty
PS IN this discussion I have used many of the concepts from the Lane#1 Gravity balance system.
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