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Kinalyx

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Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« on: September 19, 2006, 10:15:41 AM »
The proshop i go to cant seem to find my pap........at all.  He claims since im a high tracker, its just under 5" str8 out.  Considering im a VERY high tracker, my guess is that its almost 5.5" out, & about .5" up.

My question is, is there any way to accurately find a pap without a spinner.......at home?   Ive got a ball on the way, & i would like to set up the drill pattern on my own, & the next time i bowl will be when i get this ball drilled.

Any advice?
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monstercrank

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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 07:32:44 PM »
um ya, what he said, you dont use a spinner to get the pap, you could get an idea from the track and just trial and error it untill you get it with tape
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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 08:21:15 PM »
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I've never...nor has anyone I have worked with...ever...used a spinner to get the PAP...

You have to watch the ball thrown and mark it with tape.  That is the only TRUE way to mark it off the hand.


That's only as accurate as the size of the tape being used.

You can get the PAP using a spinner by placing the first oil ring at the equator.  If the oil line doesn't wobble as it turns, then the north pole (or south pole, depending on which makes sense) is your PAP.  Like the tape method, it takes some trial and error.

It is no more or less prone to track migration than tape is.  If the ball is flaring in the air because of too much loft, then the first oil ring will move just as much as the tape.

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monstercrank

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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2006, 08:34:47 PM »
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What are you supposed to look at when you put the tape on?

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um the tape....
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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2006, 08:35:23 PM »
When you release the ball, the tape should be perfectly still.  Until of course the track starts to flare.   Just cut a peice of 1 inch white tape in half and use that
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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 08:57:38 PM »
Ummm...jabs, you've never seen anyone get a pap from a spinner?

I found my own pap throwing a mild flaring ball down the center of the lane in oil and then traced the first track with a grease pencil. Place the traced track down on the spinner to where it is closest to the spinner cup and keep turning the spinner off and on and repositioning the ball til the track is not wobbling. Once the track is steady while the spinner is on, place the grease pencil on top of the ball while spinning and where it makes a bullseye is where your pap is. I then tested it with tape on that area and it was stable for the first 10-15 feet down lane. So spinner method is pretty accurate IMO
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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2006, 09:02:13 PM »
This may help....

PAP (POSITIVE AXIS POINT)  back to top
The axis of the ball during the first few revolutions that is created totally by the bowler's release style. The point on the ball that is equidistant from all points of the release ball track.
Ways to find it:
Least accurate: Draw a perpendicular (90°) line 6.75" from your track through grip center the end of the line will be close to your PAP.
Very accurate: Use an Armadillo Axis point locator tool. Place the Armadillo on your track using the line that most closely represents your track arc and mark the spot indicated by the Armadillo.
Exact: Roll low flare (spare) ball down the center of the lane where the highest concentration of oil is then using a grease pencil trace your track. Place the ball in a spinner with the track down and orient the ball to where when it it spinning the trace line doesn't wobble up and down. Then take the pencil and place it on the top of the ball and move it around until it goes from making a circle to a defined dot, or use a quarter scale/pro sect tool and draw a line connecting your track at points that are 180° from each other and repeat the step at a point near 90° from the first line where the 2 lines intersect is your PAP. If you do not have a low flare ball you can use any ball as long as you use the track that is closest to your thumb and farthest from your fingers. This is the release track, because as a ball flares the track migrates away from the thumb and towards the fingers.

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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2006, 11:31:28 PM »
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No...it's not a true PAP if you do it off of an oil ring...unless the ball has a diff below .25 and doesn't flare.


I see no difference.  If you use a ball that flares and don't lay it down on the lane at release with no loft, the ball will flare in the air whether you're using tape or not.

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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2006, 11:37:07 PM »
Like I said, I got my pap from a spinner and then put the tape on the location I got and the tape stayed stable the first 10-15 ft. How is that not accurate? It just saved me from playing the guessing game moving the tape around.

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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006, 11:23:29 AM »
Jab, to the corner, lol
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Re: Finding a PAP without a spinner?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006, 11:52:35 AM »
Try under the Tech Section on Buddiesproshop.com.  Chris has the most accurate way to determain a PAP using an AMF Armadillo.  If you have this tool, its the only thing you need.  I have one and its great.  Perfect for laying balls out as well.
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