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themagician

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Mass Bias Location
« on: November 15, 2006, 09:08:05 AM »
Recently I got an X-Factor Ace and it is layed out with the RAD left of the thumb. The ball has been fine for me, covers boards, revs up and hits hard. Now with the RAD left of the thumb what is it doing, all drilling instructions have it right of the thumb? I like the ball, i'm just curious what laying a ball out with it left of the thumb does?
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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 05:09:50 PM »
For a righty it's normally on the right side to make the ball stronger. with it on the left side, it's making the ball weaker. But if it's working for you, then i wouldn't mind it
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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 05:15:09 PM »
Left of thumb usually (but not always) puts the MB very close to the track, if not in the initial track.  The MB will have its own migration, just like the pin does, so just as putting the pin in the track will essentially kill any flare potential and a significant part of the ball's reaction, so will putting the MB there.  Basically you're taking the effect of the MB on ball reaction out of the ball's, umm, reaction.

It's more pronounced in the newer, strongly asymmetrics like Storm's RAD balls, Track's newer Robo Core balls (Machine family), Morich's Vanguard balls, and The One series from Ebonite.  Putting MB so far away from the PAP and close to the track can also reverse the flare, making the ball track over the finger or thumb holes.  Older, weaker asyms that don't have a 0.02 intermediate diff (pre-Vanguard Morich, most Morpheus-cored Track stuff, a lot of Ebo's older stuff) don't suffer that problem to the same extent.  Those have an intermediate diff in the 0.01-0.015" range and higher spin times (7s or more).

If you want to take the effect of the MB out of the ball's reaction, get a ball that doesn't have a real MB.  Buying an asymmetric ball (and especially paying the price for that technology) and removing the effect of the asymmetry seems silly to me.

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 05:17:00 PM »
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But if it's working for you, then i wouldn't mind it


Don't "fix" what ain't broken.  For some, it does work alright, for others it doesn't.

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2006, 05:18:04 PM »
Yeah, I wasn't really sure but thats what I thought, but for this ball I wanted it to be more of a medium to medium+ ball and it really does fine, its a strong backend arc thats pretty continuous for me.
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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2006, 05:19:41 PM »
Exaclty! And nice explanation shelley, i actually learned more from it too, lol
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But if it's working for you, then i wouldn't mind it


Don't "fix" what ain't broken.  For some, it does work alright, for others it doesn't.

SH

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2006, 05:21:26 PM »
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Left of thumb usually (but not always) puts the MB very close to the track, if not in the initial track.  The MB will have its own migration, just like the pin does, so just as putting the pin in the track will essentially kill any flare potential and a significant part of the ball's reaction, so will putting the MB there.  Basically you're taking the effect of the MB on ball reaction out of the ball's, umm, reaction.

It's more pronounced in the newer, strongly asymmetrics like Storm's RAD balls, Track's newer Robo Core balls (Machine family), Morich's Vanguard balls, and The One series from Ebonite.  Putting MB so far away from the PAP and close to the track can also reverse the flare, making the ball track over the finger or thumb holes.  Older, weaker asyms that don't have a 0.02 intermediate diff (pre-Vanguard Morich, most Morpheus-cored Track stuff, a lot of Ebo's older stuff) don't suffer that problem to the same extent.  Those have an intermediate diff in the 0.01-0.015" range and higher spin times (7s or more).

If you want to take the effect of the MB out of the ball's reaction, get a ball that doesn't have a real MB.  Buying an asymmetric ball (and especially paying the price for that technology) and removing the effect of the asymmetry seems silly to me.

SH


take a look at this ball in my lineup...H2O

sometimes taking the MB out of play can give you the reaction you're looking for.

and in this case it did, the ball gets some length (pearl) and offers a smooth to heavy roll breakpoint (MB).

this reaction is very hard to duplicate with a symmetric core, especially with the pearl cover on it.

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2006, 05:32:37 PM »
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this reaction is very hard to duplicate with a symmetric core, especially with the pearl cover on it.


As I said, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  What's the strength of the MB on the H2O?  I looked briefly at the Lane 1 website but didn't see it listed anywhere.  With the normal diff only being in the 0.03" range, the intermediate diff can't be all that high.  I doubt it's 0.02" or 0.025" like with Mo's balls.

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2006, 05:38:44 PM »
i dont know the exact statistics, but im under the impression that its on the weaker side.

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Re: Mass Bias Location
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 09:38:45 PM »
WEll to add to the topic, the ace i have is drilled close to 3 3/8" pin to pap, the ball really picks up hard and rolls really good. Maybe its more the nature of the ball but the reasoning with the rad left of thumb was so that with the 4.5" pin and cg kicked right of Pin to RAD line so no weight hole was needed and so it wasn't too much ball for the conditions I face.
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