a local proshop measured my pap and said it was 4 1/2 over 1/2 up...

this measurement was taken off a VG, which at the time my arsenal also had a Rising, Hex-plosion and toxic. He choose the VG for pap markings..

I have always been a high tracker. Now having a u-dot limited i traced the oil line and used the spinner and found my pap for that ball... 6" over 1/4"up.

Now i'm wondering how layouts look..

VE..pin below ring finger 5 1/4" from pap, cg is 6" and key is 6".no balance holes.

Freeze. pin up (about 1" above and just right of ring finger) pin is 4 3/4with the cg stacked below (it it 4" from pap).  there is a weight hole that is 1"around,about 5/8 below center line and it is about 1 1/8" in (closer to grip center)

TFD.. Pin slightly down to the right of ring finger 4" from pap, the small pin is 6 1/2from pap, this ball also has a weight hole 7/8" and is about 5/8"below centerline and 1 1/4" in (toward grip center)..


now for the reaction i've been getting (trying new lines/releases). Yes "A"game is up the back
 "B" game putting a higher axis rotation it seems those 3 balls (imo) get lost and can't recover.


now these balls
green messenger.. lable drilling pin below ring finger 4 1'2 from pap with no weight holes.

VG. pin beside ring finger 4" from pap, cg is 5" and the key is 7". also no weight hole.

both of these 2 balls can be thrown up the back (A game) or given more axis rotation.  the GM being all green (even my grips) i cant tell how much axis rotation i can get away with be knowing my releases i can do a 45 (A game) 60-90deg for the B-C games.
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long story short the VE,Freeze and TFD with current drilling how versital can i be with release?  Going to try and deoil and resurface yet again.  

House where the problem come is a 40' pattern (think its kegel navigation pattern -> sunset strip)