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Coolerman

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Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« on: July 02, 2009, 05:49:25 AM »
Many of today's bowlers  want to have their bowling balls drilled to hook,hook more and ,hook even more!Many drillings do not affect the amount of hook of the ball that much.so why do we pay so much attention to drilling?Because drilling affects other things that are more important.Drilling techniques do affect rev rate of the ball at different points on its way down the lane.Drilling affects flare potential,which affects the rate the ball loses speed.Drilling affects length potential of the ball.So,drilling affects amount of revs,how soon it loses speed and,where the ball hooks on the lane,is more important than how much the ball hooks. Also core shape contributes to the ball motion,smooth or sharp movement and,coverstock aggressiveness contributes to length potential. Core shape can affect ,flare,length, turn.And cover can only affect length.Coverstocks are important but they limit what the core can do.Too much core for the cover or too much cover for the core makes for a very condition-specific ball.A  versatile ball matches core and coverstock so drillings work effectively and surface changes alter the ball path.The purpose of surface prep is alter and adapt a ball to the lane condition.This makes for a versatile ball. Matching-up the ball,proper layout and,surface prep allows. 1.You to have the hook that insures the proper entry and rev rate. 2.Allows you to maximize your strike percentage.3.The ball will allow you to adjust surface and static adjustments to alter the breakpoint. 4.Creates a larger area at the breakpoint.Find these and, you will find the ball you need for the lane condition you bowl on.

 

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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 02:07:07 PM »
Very nice post.  Unfortunately you used WAY too much energy typing this out as it'll probably just go over most everyones head on this site, and basically be ignored.

Coolerman

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 02:31:58 PM »
Thanks for the props ,Nose.Even if one person can get something from it or at least  enjoy it ,it was worth while.

Bowlin for Beer

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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 01:34:06 PM »
Therefore.... ?

Should all bowlers get a physics degree and become certified ball drillers?
Because every time I go to a pro shop the owner points me to the latest and greatest on the market without knowing anything about the way I bowl.  I am sure its the same for most bowlers out there.  So we are pretty much on our own when looking for what we think we need for a certain condition.  And it ends up being a hit or miss proposition.  And at $200 a pop, a pretty risky one too.

Small rant, sorry.  Your information is all good, but what I'm trying to say is since we are pretty much on our own, how does that help us ?  Once you find a ball that works on a certain condition, how do you know which ball to get to work for oilier, drier, flatter, longer, etc. conditions ?  How does one know how to change RG, Diff, coverstock, drilling on subsequent balls to match different conditions?

I don't believe the pro shop owners know all of the specifications of every ball in their shop, or the bowling characteristics of the buyer. They just want to make a big sale.  So, is there a way for us (joe bowlers) to understand how to buy the right ball ?

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 02:48:41 PM »
Rant, thats not a rant, Beer.That just the feelings  of a bowler the feels helpless finding info on bowling dynamics.Beer ,some suggestions include a subscription to Bowling This Month Magazine,this magazine is the best as far as technical info goes.Also visit Kegel head coach Joe Slowinski's web site Bowling Knowledge.info,this is the best bowling web site.As far as this web site , I would read as much as possible about covers, drillings,and ball dynamics some  of the guys are pro shop owners, certified  drillers and coaches.Of course the pro shops want to make the money off  the next greatest ball but,they want to stay in business too.The mid and lower priced balls pay most of the bills.at least at my friends pro shop.So don't be afraid  to ask questions and,if the pro shop is inside a bowling center have them watch you throw the ball a few frames so he can see your style ,speed,and tilt and rotation.This goes along way in the process of finding a ball that matches your game with  the lane conditions you typically bowl on.Also check for their certification ,most but not all should know about the specs of the balls that are released if not find another pro shop owner that that knows. ASK  QUESTIONS! it's your money being spent.And post questions on this site .

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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 03:26:32 PM »
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Too much core for the cover or too much cover for the core makes for a very condition-specific ball.A  versatile ball matches core and coverstock so drillings work effectively and surface changes alter the ball path.


So how in the world do I tell? (Another Joe Bowler here...) All these companies call their covers something like "Super Armageddon Maxi-Death Ultra Nuclear Aggression". There's no real data to study.

In the case of cores in two different balls, (symmetric cores just keep it "simple"), if RG and Differential happen to be rated the same but the core shape is different, is there any difference between the two cores or not?


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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 04:02:02 PM »
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Too much core for the cover or too much cover for the core makes for a very condition-specific ball.A  versatile ball matches core and coverstock so drillings work effectively and surface changes alter the ball path.


So how in the world do I tell? (Another Joe Bowler here...) All these companies call their covers something like "Super Armageddon Maxi-Death Ultra Nuclear Aggression". There's no real data to study.

In the case of cores in two different balls, (symmetric cores just keep it "simple"), if RG and Differential happen to be rated the same but the core shape is different, is there any difference between the two cores or not?


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yes there is a difference!

when a company gives a rg number it is the AVERAGE rg. every balls core has a max and min rg.

if you watch the storm seminar vids which is on rotogrips website he explains how some balls will have the same diff or flare potential numbers but flare AT different points on the lane. this can cause some balls to react differently as they enter or exit oil patterns.


i think the point here is to have a good pro shop guy behind you who can help you make good choices and is on top of the latest balls. I personally avoid pro shops that push balls because it seems to be hooking the most. i bet if i walk into a pro shop by me I wont even get both feet in the door before a virtual gravity is suggested to me. .... how about look at my release and the other balls in my bag first before you suggest a ball?



if you have a poor release then choosing the "right" ball is not all that important. Ive learned that lesson the expensive way

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 11:53:00 PM »
Beer, Lord, and Icewall:

If a proshop operator is immediately trying to push the biggest hooking most expensive ball at you right away, find another shop. It's these type of operators that tarnish the industry. The bad thing is they are all over the place.

Matching an individual up with the correct ball, layout, balance hole locations, surface really takes a skilled operator. One that understands ball motion, transition times between the first and second transition that you see on the lane. Also when the ball is not facing up correctly and what to do. Does the ball need a balance hole to increase or decrease reaction or maybe it's just a surface change. Can they map axis migration to determine weather you have core or cover dominat ball or are they matched up. Do they use a determinator to determine the location of the Low RG Axis in a symetrical ball. The pin is suppose to be the location but a lot of time it is not. Do they spin the ball to determine the location of the PSA "Mass Bias" before and after the ball is drilled.

It not about making the big sale it's about devloping long term client relationships. I respect my clients educating themselves and think it's important. I always try to fill a spot in an indivuals arsenal I want to make them successful on the lanes and just selling them the latest and greatest just doesnt cut it. You have to truly understand their game and what you can do to help them benfit from their new purchase.


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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 07:01:02 AM »
guined:

I couldnt have said it better.

and that is the exact reason I travel 45 minutes to my driller/coach. hes on the hammer staff and has yet to even suggest a hammer ball to me or my brother... just goes to show hes out to find the right ball for my style and not just a quick buck.

I tend to get free lessons and discounts because he knows im a loyal customer and wont go to any other proshop. If someone shows me that they are looking out for me and not just my money I will go no place else. and isnt that the point?

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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 07:20:39 AM »
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If a proshop operator is immediately trying to push the biggest hooking most expensive ball at you right away, find another shop. It's these type of operators that tarnish the industry. The bad thing is they are all over the place.



Absolutely agree. I'm 0-8 so far and have basically lost hope. The most help I've ever gotten is "this is the one that's selling the most" or "this is the newest on the market". It's like I'm bothering them by being in their shop. After patronizing eight different shops I kind of figured that's just how things were, and that I'd have to learn to help myself. The data required to do this is not easy to come by, though.
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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2009, 08:16:56 AM »
Lord Walrus, if at all possible instead of buying another ball buy a quality ball spinner instead. Learn how to change the surface to what works for you. Most balls that don't work out of the box for a person can be have the surface changed to perform much better. There is plenty of help here on changing surfaces to fit different conditions. Plus you'll start getting your feet wet on understanding the ball reactions.
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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 10:54:45 PM »
WAY2,

You better watch yourself with that BAD word, you may offend someone by saying that statics DO MATTER......
I can't belive you are not getting slammed already for it....
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Re: Matching Up-Drilling/Cores/Coverstocks
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 11:06:44 PM »
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WAY2,

You better watch yourself with that BAD word, you may offend someone by saying that statics DO MATTER......
I can't belive you are not getting slammed already for it....



He's not getting slammed because no one wants to read that single paragraph, single spaced ~286 word opinion piece.

Just to make you feel better... Statics matter about as much to ball reaction as taking out the floor mats in an SUV relates to an increase in fuel mileage!