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myhandhurts

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Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« on: June 23, 2009, 08:13:51 AM »
Lately I had been losing the ball in my backswing. After talking to people on this forum and my pro shop guy, we decided to go to 1/8 forward pitch from my previous 1/8 reverse in the thumb and back off to 0 later if it was too much.

After practicing the last two days with it, I am definitely not losing the ball anymore. I am not sure though if I should back it off to 0. How do you know if you are locking in it? Obviously if the ball does not come off at all, however I have noticed I am coming around it a little instead of staying behind it, though my track has been raised like it used to be before I started losing the ball too early. Would that be considered locking up a bit?

Should I take the pitch back to 0 in the thumb?

Also how do you know if you should shorten the span a little?  I think I could use another 1/8 shorter because upon release my thumb snags a little at the top no matter how much bevel or how much reverse pitch is in the thumb.  I only say an 1/8 shorter because I already use a span on the short side.

 

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 10:39:24 PM »
Rule of thumb is that as you add forward pitch, you shorten the span. If you haven't changed the span to work with the 1/4" added forward pitch, then yes you will have to shorten the span to accomidate. Check with your driller to see if he thinks 1/8th is enough. Nothing wrong with a short span... mine is under 4" cut to cut but its extremely comfortable. The game is all about feel anyways.

Also, I think that your thumb "snaging" the top of the hole is whats causing you to come around it at the release. Your mind is telling your hand to get to the outside of the ball so you can get your thumb out. I believe changing the span will also solve this problem
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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 12:41:44 AM »
I understand that you should shorten the span as you add forward, however if your pitches were wrong for your current span and were too far reverse wouldn't you get away with correcting the pitch and not shortening the span.

Also as far as the snagging goes, I really paid attention to it tonight and it just catches the left, front part of my thumb nail (I am a righty) is this just a touch too long?

P.S. I am already at 4 inches cut to cut and do not have too small of a hand.

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BrunsWolf

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 01:18:08 AM »
It would have had to have been a "perfect mistake", if you will, to have a span that short to begin with and it fix itself just by a pitch change. Not saying it isn't possible though...

My hand is I guess normal size whatever that is... and my pitches are 0 all the way around except pitching out the fingers so they don't run together. However, it took me a whole year to find pitches and a span that was comfortable. It's not a fun trip trying to find a grip that feels (and works) best, trust me on that one.

If I understand correctly as to where your thumb is snagging, it does still sound like a little shorter span would help. With a streched span, your thumb actually drags against the back of the hole towards the release because at that point, the tip of the thumb is geometrically further away from your fingers at the release rather than fully in the ball. Your fingers are the pivot point to a release (since your thumb comes out first, then fingers). Therefore, it is only at the maximum strech position (max distance from the pivot point. ie: thumb nearly out of the ball) that you can tell if your span is too long, although if it's a pain just to get/keep your thumb in then thats obvious to alot of people.

If we are talking about the left side of the thumb as you put your hand out in front of you and give a thumbs up, then this makes sense. Due to being a righty, the "left" part of the thumb is pointed away from the fingers in the grip, so this would see the most friction in a streched span

Before typing this, I pulled out a ball that I can't throw anymore cause I hang up in this ball (was a ball that I hadn't changed the span to 1/4th shorter) and experienced a snag similar to what you said is happening to you, assuming still taking about the same side of the fingernail. So with too long of a span, I felt the same thing.

These are my thoughts but if your ball driller is trustworthy and knows your game, he's really the best to talk to since I'm only able to "imagine" whats really going on.

Any other questions just let me know.

By the way, I'm NOT a ball driller or fitter. I'm just a person that knows a good fit when I feel it
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myhandhurts

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 02:42:33 PM »
You are understanding the snag correctly, that is indeed the point of the nail I am talking about.

Thanks for the information.  To me it does not matter if you are a ball driller or not if you have gone through the process of trying to find a good fit that is good enough for me.

I will try to shorten it 1/8 more then before I try any more pitch changes.

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 07:50:57 AM »
You are catching a corner of your nail and think the problem is span length?

Crazy!

The problem in that case is usually lateral pitch when a corner is clipped.

There is a link to thumb injury problems at Jayhawks site but I can't remember exact.

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 08:06:22 AM »
I tend to agree with lefty, sounds like a lateral problem not length of span. This is without knowing you or seeing you but just something to ask your driller if he agrees.
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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 08:18:41 AM »
If span is WRONG, pitch is a bandaid.
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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 09:45:34 AM »
If you're catching on the thumb, rarely will a pitch change correct the problem. The cause is usually a bad bevel and/or not enough down in the hole.

More tape will be needed with more bevel, as a snugger(is that a word) thumb hole is necessary.

Proper bevel can pretty much correct any hanging problem concerning the thumb, imo. =:^D

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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 09:53:40 AM »
"If you're catching on the thumb, rarely will a pitch change correct the problem. The cause is usually a bad bevel and/or not enough down in the hole."

Can you type this with a straight face?

So then ALL thumb holes should just be drilled at 0 pitch 'cause your saying it has zero effect on the release.

If you have a thumb that is shaped in such a way that the base is thicker than the knuckle, you will need to shape the hole accordingly but the span and pitch of the thumb hole will allow for the bowler to not have to grip the ball.

Pitch is there so the bowler does not have to grip the ball through the swing, as well as being allowed to release the ball at the proper spot in the release and angle onto the lane.

Bevel, more times than not, is used as a band aid to compensate for an incorrect span or pitches.
If the span and pitches are correct for the bowler, 9 times out of 10, the bowler can release the ball with little or no bevel, with zero complications.
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Re: Tried new pitches...now a couple questions
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 10:14:12 AM »
Going forward that much will take two weeks or so to get used too, give it some time. I had to lose 1/8 span in my ring with same exact pitch change, otherwise the bottom of you nails will clip some.

I also used less lateral bringing it towards grip 1/16, that also helped alot.