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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: TonyS on December 10, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
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Hello Guys and Gals,
I'm a noob to bowling so I apologize beforehand if this question does not make sense.
I have found that a 40 x 4 x 35 layout works extremely well for my down and in shot. I get really good carry with this layout. Should I use this same layout across different brands of bowling balls? Thank you.
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Yes... I prefer to keep my layouts fairly consistent from ball to ball with minor tweaks.
I still have a couple pieces that are outside my benchmark range, but they don't come into play as ofter or for as long.
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Ive drilled and thrown a lot of equipment. I have probably 3-4 layouts I use consistently with the difference usually being the pin distance. I have found using the same layout on a few different bowling balls makes it easier to transition from one ball to the next as needed.
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Ive drilled and thrown a lot of equipment. I have probably 3-4 layouts I use consistently with the difference usually being the pin distance. I have found using the same layout on a few different bowling balls makes it easier to transition from one ball to the next as needed.
The key word here is "few".
You cannot expect to use the same drilling on every ball because each ball's designed-in ball reaction, RG, Differential and, if applicable, MB/PSA strength can vary widely. A Dual Angle is specific to the bowler's release AS WELL AS the ball's characteristics AND the oil amount & pattern.
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After playing with the blueprint software I would say you can use the same layout on a lot of different bowling balls with the pin to pap distance being the only difference and have no issues. The cover stock makes the biggest difference. Everything after that is not nearly as much as I expected.
Even on one ball using the same layout and moving the pin from 3", to 4", to 5", to 6" only showed minimal difference on the balls shape and reaction on the lane. Something I did not expect.
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Chart of exact same layout on a bowling ball just moving the pin from 3,4,5,6 and the charted ball thrown on the lane.
Layout is 30 x ## x 75
Second charts is the same ball with two different layouts
30 x 5 x 75 vs 70 x 5 x 75 layouts comparisons
Layouts are on the Outburst
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Good info, KL! Can you show the layouts or surmise what would happen and how much difference adding gradient line x holes P1, P2, P3 and P4?
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Software has expired.
Typically the results were surprising. The P1 or just above that on the bowlers VAL reduced the balls flare and overall hook.
P3 and P4 increased the core dynamics and the flare of the ball. Interesting enough when graphed on the lanes the ball with no weight hole vs a P3 or P4 had more over all hook including on the backends. The bowling ball with the p3 or p4 hole hooked a little more earlier on the lanes and flattened out much more on the backends.
The only example I have is on a rico layout graph I saved for future reference. The first line is with no x-hole the second is with the x-hole. The x-hole increased the bowling balls rg, diff and int diff. The x-hole was 1'x3.5" in size.
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Awesome info KL! Thanks a lot! I have 2 new balls incoming (Roto Grip Defiant Edge and 900 Global Black Eagle) I'm going to have both ball drill with a 40 x 4 x 35 layout. Hopefully I'll continue have good lucks with the same layout on these new balls.
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I do this pretty much on all my stuff. I like to keep the pins above my ring which puts it around 5 inches from my axis and then depending on the shot shape I want, I tweak the distance of where the cg/MB are in relation to my center line. If I want ALOT of angle on the back, I will put the pin above the bridge which puts it around 5.5 inches and the cg under the ring finger, no weight hole and adjust the surface. If I want something to help read the lane better and go for more of a hard arc, then I keep the pin above the ring finger and adjust how far out I shift the cg/MB, typically between 35 and 45 degrees with a weight hole down.
I do not do anything with a weight holes in P1 or P2. I always go P3 or P4; especially if the differential is low. However, I do for specific purposes have a ball with the pin at 2 inches, cg in the grip and no weight hole for when I encounter a short pattern and/or flying backends where I need control. For the most part, everything I have in pin above the ring, cg out at 35-45 degrees and a weight hole down. Then, last but not lease, adjust the surface to fine tune the overall ball roll. I like to keep it simple.
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Yes... I prefer to keep my layouts fairly consistent from ball to ball with minor tweaks.
That's what I do. I have three layouts I use, in which I seperate them with varying surfaces.
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2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,
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2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,
Or if you just bowl one league in one center.
Or if you're just not very good--like me. ;) Too much variation in shotmaking can render layout differences virtually meaningless.
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2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,
Or if you just bowl one league in one center.
Or if you're just not very good--like me. ;) Too much variation in shot making can render layout differences virtually meaningless.
We should all be very "not very good" like you. Heck, I'd be thrilled to be half as not very good as you!!!
Nice to hear from you again, Ray!
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Software is awesome
bit pricey, but you can sure learn some things about weight holes and how they affect your motion, angle of weight holes was an eye opener as well
I would say this software is solely aimed at a pro-shop operator.
the blueprint itself of your stats will be available soon to everyone
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Well the trial version is perfect for just playing around with unless you have one of the 4 balls available on the program. It does show the slight differences in a lot of things and how many things considered a big deal not so much.
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The full version has the entire EBONITE line on it
you can really dial in your layout with it
Once you have this and know how to use it to your advantage, you should be able to attract some mid to higher level experienced customers
I know the Cliff Barnes pro shops all have it
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Typically I go with 3 layouts, and then just change the surface as needed. I also don't experiment with exotic layouts since that can be asking for trouble more often than not.
4x4x2 is the most versatile for me and I have that on at least 1/2 of my arsenal. The other layouts, such as what I use on my Defiant, Vital Energy or Outlaw are all meant for specific patterns or volume that I face.
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I only prefer to do one layout, but also i will have niche layouts on certain peices to help cover certain conditions. I am rev dominant with a speed of 15-15.5 mph...so only certain layouts work for me.
I typically do 4"x4"x2" which covers most conditions but i have a few 6" pin to pap balls. Etc etc..
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Usually, when i get a new ball drilled up, i tend to have a good idea of what type of drilling i am going to do on the ball..
And usually it's going to give me a reaction that I can use on a good variety of lane conditions..
here is a example, I have my Track 916AT drilled pin down, under middle finger ( 5.5 from pap ) and the MB is about 1 inch right of the thumb.. I also have this on my 716C.. this is a good layout for me on a wide variety of patterns because the ball reads the midlane very well.. And the backend reaction isnt wild.
I also did this drilling on a 706A and 300A to see what it would do for these balls lol... the 706A works good, and actually seems to be a bit earlier than the 716C.. Now on the 300A, i threw this ball for 1 shot and the ball went very straight lol... So I come next week I will see how this ball works going straighter and bumping it off the dry spot on my league night...
Now on most of my other balls, I usually do a pin up over my fingers or pin right under my fingers.. and the MB anywhere from right next to the thumb hole to over at 45degree's.. And with these layouts I get reactions that can cover a wide variety of lane conditions and makes switching out balls pretty easy.