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TonyS

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Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« on: December 10, 2012, 11:58:51 PM »
Hello Guys and Gals,

I'm a noob to bowling so I apologize beforehand if this question does not make sense.
I have found that  a 40 x 4 x 35 layout works extremely well for my down and in shot.  I get really good carry with this layout.  Should I use this same layout across different brands of bowling balls?  Thank you.

 

J_Mac

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 12:11:50 AM »
Yes... I prefer to keep my layouts fairly consistent from ball to ball with minor tweaks.

I still have a couple pieces that are outside my benchmark range, but they don't come into play as ofter or for as long.

kidlost2000

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 05:18:26 AM »
Ive drilled and thrown a lot of equipment. I have probably 3-4 layouts I use consistently with the difference usually being the pin distance. I have found using the same layout on a few different bowling balls makes it easier to transition from one ball to the next as needed.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

charlest

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 06:17:22 AM »
Ive drilled and thrown a lot of equipment. I have probably 3-4 layouts I use consistently with the difference usually being the pin distance. I have found using the same layout on a few different bowling balls makes it easier to transition from one ball to the next as needed.

The key word here is "few".
You cannot expect to use the same drilling on every ball because each ball's designed-in ball reaction, RG, Differential and, if applicable, MB/PSA strength can vary widely. A Dual Angle is specific to the bowler's release AS WELL AS the ball's characteristics AND the oil amount & pattern.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 06:43:59 AM »
After playing with the blueprint software I would say you can use the same layout on a lot of different bowling balls with the pin to pap distance being the only difference and have no issues. The cover stock makes the biggest difference. Everything after that is not nearly as much as I expected.

Even on one ball using the same layout and moving the pin from 3", to 4", to 5", to 6" only showed minimal difference on the balls shape and reaction on the lane. Something I did not expect.

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

kidlost2000

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 06:51:15 AM »
Chart of exact same layout on a bowling ball just moving the pin from 3,4,5,6 and the charted ball thrown on the lane.

Layout is 30 x ## x 75

Second charts is the same ball with two different layouts

30 x 5 x 75   vs  70 x 5 x 75 layouts comparisons

Layouts are on the Outburst
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 07:02:03 AM »
Good info, KL!  Can you show the layouts or surmise what would happen and how much difference adding gradient line x holes P1, P2, P3 and P4? 
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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 07:15:14 AM »
Software has expired.

Typically the results were surprising. The P1 or just above that on the bowlers VAL reduced the balls flare and overall hook.

P3 and P4 increased the core dynamics and the flare of the ball. Interesting enough when graphed on the lanes the ball with no weight hole vs a P3 or P4 had more over all hook including on the backends. The bowling ball with the p3 or p4 hole hooked a little more earlier on the lanes and flattened out much more on the backends.


The only example I have is on a rico layout graph I saved for future reference. The first line is with no x-hole the second is with the x-hole. The x-hole increased the bowling balls rg, diff and int diff. The x-hole was 1'x3.5" in size.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

TonyS

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 04:49:34 PM »
Awesome info KL! Thanks a lot!  I have 2 new balls incoming (Roto Grip Defiant Edge and 900 Global Black Eagle) I'm going to have both ball drill with a 40 x 4 x 35 layout.  Hopefully I'll continue have good lucks with the same layout on these new balls.

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 09:14:12 AM »
I do this pretty much on all my stuff.  I like to keep the pins above my ring which puts it around 5 inches from my axis and then depending on the shot shape I want, I tweak the distance of where the cg/MB are in relation to my center line.  If I want ALOT of angle on the back, I will put the pin above the bridge which puts it around 5.5 inches and the cg under the ring finger, no weight hole and adjust the surface.  If I want something to help read the lane better and go for more of a hard arc, then I keep the pin above the ring finger and adjust how far out I shift the cg/MB, typically between 35 and 45 degrees with a weight hole down. 

I do not do anything with a weight holes in P1 or P2.  I always go P3 or P4; especially if the differential is low.  However, I do for specific purposes have a ball with the pin at 2 inches, cg in the grip and no weight hole for when I encounter a short pattern and/or flying backends where I need control.  For the most part, everything I have in pin above the ring, cg out at 35-45 degrees and a weight hole down.  Then, last but not lease, adjust the surface to fine tune the overall ball roll.  I like to keep it simple.
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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 05:58:44 AM »
Yes... I prefer to keep my layouts fairly consistent from ball to ball with minor tweaks.

That's what I do.  I have three layouts I use, in which I seperate them with varying surfaces.

charlest

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 08:17:24 AM »
2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,
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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 11:44:57 AM »
2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,

Or if you just bowl one league in one center.

Or if you're just not very good--like me.   ;)   Too much variation in shotmaking can render layout differences virtually meaningless.
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charlest

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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2012, 12:05:04 PM »
2 or 3 drillings, I can understand.
1 drilling for all balls will only work if you're very lucky,

Or if you just bowl one league in one center.

Or if you're just not very good--like me.   ;)   Too much variation in shot making can render layout differences virtually meaningless.

We should all be very "not very good" like you. Heck, I'd be thrilled to be half as not very good as you!!!

Nice to hear from you again, Ray!
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Re: Using a favorite Layout across different bowling balls
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2012, 05:42:03 PM »
Software is awesome
bit pricey, but you can sure learn some things about weight holes and how they affect your motion, angle of weight holes was an eye opener as well

I would say this software is solely aimed at a pro-shop operator.
the blueprint itself of your stats will be available soon to everyone