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Raven829

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A layout I've always wondered about
« on: May 14, 2007, 09:23:00 PM »
With almost everyone here infatuated with "go long and flip", I've been wondering about a layout I've never heard of.  I started thinking about it after looking at a Storm drill sheet that mentioned "pin buffer".  According to Storm, the smaller the distance between the VAL and pin, the more angular the backend reaction would be.  So what kind of reaction would one get if they put the pin 3 3/8 above their PAP on the VAL?  The pin would be up quite high, raising the RG and thus the length, while still keeping the pin in a leverage position for maximum flare.  It seems to me that this would make an incredibly long and angular ball, depending of course on other factors such as ball surface prep.  Any of you ball drillers have any input on this?  

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shelley

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Re: A layout I've always wondered about
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 05:00:54 PM »
But the normal way to get the pin closer to the track is via longer pin distances, meaning less flare.  So this would probably have a different reaction.

It would be one option for long pin balls.  3 3/8" from the PAP on the VAL is pretty far from the grip (for most people) and pretty high as well, so a long-pin ball could have the CG ending up in a reasonable location near the grip center and not too far below the midline.  There'd be enough room to swing it for side weight as well.

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chitown

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Re: A layout I've always wondered about
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 09:00:22 AM »
I know that this layout is good on strong asymmetrical bowling balls.  What it does is give you length but still allows the ball to flare a lot in the later parts of the lane.

I usually have most of my equipment drilled with the pin 5" to 5.5" from my pap.  However one of my balls has the pin 3.75" from my pap.  This strong pin placement allows the ball to flare really early and a lot but lay's off on the back end.  I use this layout for control.  Well the opposite happens with the layout your talking about.  You still get the flare of the strong pin position but it occurs on the back part of the lane.  So you get a lot of length and huge back end move.
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Re: A layout I've always wondered about
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 01:35:19 PM »
I did this layout, the 3 3/8" pin to Pap layout, on an RS-P (strong particle pearl) that had a 5 inch pin and with my PAP of 5 1/2" over, 1/4" up, the pin ended up really high and about 2 inches from my VAL.  I tried to lay this ball out like the "Tommy Jones Trick Layout" which people have talked about before which puts the pin 1" from the VAL.  I agree with Chitown in the reaction.  This gives me a nice controlled, strong arc with this ball and cover combination that for me is good on the flood.  I have another RS-P drilled my favorite 5 x 4 layout and this gives me the typically skid/flip reaction.  I really like this layout in my second RS-P and will probably drill another ball like this again.  Hope this helps.
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Re: A layout I've always wondered about
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 01:52:53 PM »
I would caution about putting the pin directly on your VAL.  If you missed your release a little (perhaps coming around the ball a touch), you would change your PAP slightly (and there for your VAL)... this could place the pin beyond your VAL, causing the ball to reverse flare.  I think that's why Storm recommends a minimum of 1.5" buffer.  

I think I remember seeing Danny Wiseman using this type of layout on a WMB... not sure of the results though...

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