Was wondering why the 2 companies show 2 different layouts for what they consider their "strongest" layout on the Mastermind vs the Endless Nightmare. Brunswick shows the pin out around the finger holes and DV8 shows the pin under the fingers. I believe both have asymmetric cores.

Part of the reason drill sheets should have never been put in boxes to begin with. It is because people base everything off of pictures and expect the ball to be drilled identical to the picture and not based off of the bowlers specific style of bowling/PAP.

If you read what is written and not go off of the picture example then you will see the same thing. 60 x 5" x 70 If they never added pictures it may have helped some. Some people only go off the pic and are likely to be wrong. In the ball park but wrong.

DV8 Big Crank



Brunswick

On your link provided the maximum hook layout of Brunswick is listed as the DV8 big curve. Both are written as 45 x 4.5" x 70. They are listed as different "names/descriptions" of the same layout. The pictures look different because depending on your PAP it could be different from either picture shown.

Do not go off of the pictures
Do not go off of the pictures
Do not go off of the pictures

Go off of the numbers 45 x 4.5" x 70

The layout sheet he linked to is a short pin/long pin layout sheet, but for pretty much all intents and purposes the layouts appear the same on paper.

It has the exact same layout and pin to pap distance it only shows the cg area to be further away possibly requiring an x-hole. Your comparing pics not layouts but even looking at the correct pics shows literally the same thing.

Your proshop driller should know the difference not relying on pics to drill a ball. Instead based on your pap. 45 x 4.5 x 70 is all that matters based on you pap. If you then say its not the same as the pic and is wrong then there is no helping you. This is what people do all of the time when it isn't the picture.

Very common.  Thats why its bad for drill sheets to be available to general bowlers. If the ball isn't drilled identical to the pic it must be wrong. Then the person will refuse to listen to reason other wise. If the driller drills the exact layout 45 x 4.5 x 70 it will likely look different for each bowler based on their pap. Just look at three examples of the same layout for the high,  medium, and low track bowler. Same layout based off the bowlers unique release and some would argue the layout is not the same based on look and not their release.

In reference to the other shop saying they would have drilled it differently keep in mind everyone has a different opinion on layouts for hook, length, less hook ect. Many times they are opinions not facts.