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Title: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 06, 2004, 12:47:32 PM
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Sorry guys for the (nevermind!) I had to upload pics to WTDR!

Bowling kid-> you really like to bust my rump--> J/K !!!!

I droped off my new Columbia Drive to my driller and asked him to drill it for max flare... Well I get back over there and he has this(look at pic)... I got me a lane to try it out. Wasn't happy with the way it looked already... Threw it--> it might of covered 5 boards--->6-pin. My hands were on my hips.. tried different speed, move left, move right.. Not very impressed at all... None off my other equipment is layed out like this. What to do?



Edited on 10/6/2004 9:21 PM
Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on October 06, 2004, 09:07:10 PM
u CAN delete posts u know? its the little trash can button...
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 06, 2004, 09:36:28 PM
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: AMP750 on October 06, 2004, 10:40:01 PM
Hello Dave
This ball will not do what you want it to do.
Why did your driller drill this ball this way ????
Sounds like he does not know what he is doing ???
Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 12:15:31 AM
Well, I decided to give a try in league tonight... BIGGEST mistake I could have ever made. Didn't even break 500. Ball (layout) is a huge disappointment . My teammates are not very happy with my performance tonight. I felt like I wasted there $. If no one wants this ball it's being plugged and redrilled... Thanks for everyones help...dave
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Next Level PS on October 07, 2004, 12:42:57 AM
D, is that the X-hole on the right side and is that cg on the left side? also is that pin about 4 1/2" above the Midline.  I hope your rev rate is around 650.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 12:50:57 AM
Next level, You got dead on the nose, I wish for revs that high. I've been told it's around 325-400??? Man, I'm kicking myself in the balls over this. I will never go to that driller again
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Next Level PS on October 07, 2004, 01:00:17 AM
D, he should give a new ball or some type of store credit. the bridge also looks a little wide. Where are you located.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 01:10:41 AM
Victoria, TEXAS... The bridge is wide, real wide. I now have raw skin on the inside of my middle and ring finger...
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Next Level PS on October 07, 2004, 01:23:28 AM
I know it's ton of good shops in TX, I know the state is big But i know Robert Lawerence, Mark Williams, Mike Austine from this site and Mike Scroggins are located in the states. Worst comes to worst you can send guys like me or Doug Stern your ball and will give you a quality cut.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 01:27:34 AM
Yeah, I'm going to have to do something...
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 01:39:46 AM
I've been to Mike Austins pro shop, great guy. He's done some ball work for me already. He's 125 miles away from me, so it's kinda of hard to get there. I'm in the process of increasing my span and I'm having all my equipment plugged (different pro shop). I'm going to mike to get the Switch grips put in everything ...
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: TheDude on October 07, 2004, 01:44:40 PM
your CG is in the negative quad, but you have a weight hole??!! the ball has negative side weight and likely is illegal and that is killing your reaction.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 07, 2004, 02:21:33 PM
Dave...are you left or right handed?  It looks like the right finger insert is smaller so I'm guessing your are a righty (doesn't say anything in your profile).  If so then, as Brunswick Lefty pointed out, the ball has a drilling better suited for a left handed bowler.  If you are a righty to you throw a back-up ball?  I'm just trying to figure out the drilling choice!

Regardless...I'm *REALLY* surprised that the weight hole is on the opposite side as the cg in comparison to your hand.  Unless that CG is really mis-marked (which does happen...we just saw it on a XXX) then you would've already had maybe about an once of negative side weight based on the offset of the CG to your gripline.  I can't tell how deep the weight hole is but it's looks fairly large.  

No pro shop is perfect, but when mistakes happen the operator should step up and make it right for the customer.  On smaller cosmetic issues they are easily fixed with a new ball being involved.  Since the ball is fully drilled I would think that he should get you another one.

Yup...that bridge is pretty big too!  My guess is that he might be scared of cracking bridges so he makes them extra big??  

Good luck with it and let us know some detials on you and how it goes.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: T-GOD on October 07, 2004, 02:28:10 PM
Dave,

This ball is not drilled correctly, at least if you want it to hook it's not. It looks like it should be for a lefty, but the weight hole is for a righty.

This drilling is an end over end roll drilling that won't hook unless you really turn the ball. It'll work good on drier lanes with dry heads and dry backends, but that's about it.

I'm sure that's not what you wanted it for. But, maybe I'm wrong. =:^D
Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 02:33:34 PM
I'm RH. I throw a normal RH shot. The cg is in line with th MB.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 02:35:24 PM
The ball doesn't move at all. just skids down the lane and never breaks
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 07, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
How can it move...the MB is pretty far away from your PAP, the Pin (as T-God pointed out) will make the ball roll end over end and the most important thing:

It's got to have a large amount of negative weight.  It would have to be about 1.5 to 2.0 oz's considering the CG shift and the weight hole...*UNLESS* it was a miss-marked CG.  Take it back to the driller and first ask him to weigh it...then if it's legal and not negative tell him the problem / try and figure out why he drilled it the way he did.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 07, 2004, 03:25:42 PM
yeah... its obviously a brain fart on your driller's part...  did he forget that your are right handed?  From teh cg location and weight hole.. it appears as if the ball would have a TON of negative side weight.. prob illegal.  With the piin that far away from your PAP, flare would be minimal.  basically I would assume that layout takes away most of the core dynamics.  If it were me, I would demand a new ball (as plugging and redrilling drastically reduces the value of a ball).  Its a shame to ruin a ball like that.

S^2
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 07, 2004, 03:35:41 PM
S^2...one small correction.  Based on Mo Pinel's writings asymetric balls will have approximately the same amount of flare placing the pin 6" from your PAP or 3-1/2 (or so) away from your PAP.  <---Atleast that is based on what I've been told by Chris Forry at Buddies based on his conversation with Mo.

However, as the pin to pap goes over the 4 to 4-1/2" distance an asymetric ball will roll more end over end.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: RSalas on October 07, 2004, 03:45:12 PM
quote:
What to do?


How do you feel about using it as a spare ball?
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: khamûl on October 07, 2004, 03:53:30 PM
Goof,

 
quote:
Based on Mo Pinel's writings asymetric (SIC) balls will have approximately the same amount of flare placing the pin 6" from your PAP or 3-1/2 (or so) away from your PAP.


Tell Mr. Forry to open his ears next time he has a conversation with Mo regarding his writings.  Not all asymmetric cores have this tendency, and Mo knows that.

Dave,

Assuming that you do not posses some mutated form of release, that ball is F'd.  Take it back for a refund.  Go find a driller that can do the job properly.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 03:55:04 PM
Thats about all it's good for
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: JohnP on October 07, 2004, 05:08:33 PM
dave300 -- I agree that a new ball is the best solution.  But if your driller won't do that, before you plug and redrill, try plugging the weight hole and see if that makes it useable.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Buckwild on October 07, 2004, 05:31:44 PM
Is this your ball?

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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 05:33:43 PM
yeah, hopefully some lefty will buy it..
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 05:45:15 PM
the reserve is only at 25 dollars..Can't beat that, even if the layout sucks.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dave300 on October 07, 2004, 06:20:19 PM
ball sold today so it doesn't matter anymore
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: Goof1073 on October 08, 2004, 08:57:25 AM
khamûl,
quote:
Tell Mr. Forry to open his ears next time he has a conversation with Mo regarding his writings. Not all asymmetric cores have this tendency, and Mo knows that
I might have stated things incorrectly as I didn't really mean to make it sound like all asymmetric balls react this way.  Just typin' a bit fast.  

I know it wasn't Forry stating things wrong...just my conveyance of information not be accurate / complete.  

 


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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: khamûl on October 09, 2004, 02:21:26 AM


It's all good, goof.
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Title: Re: wack layout?
Post by: dirtbikebowler on October 09, 2004, 11:39:53 AM
i cant believe u just sold it. As soon as i saw that ball the way it was drilled i would have MADE him go get another ball in the back and drill it.

Unless u told him u wanted a real weak layout, but ovuisly u didnt bc u said u wanted max flare.

U just wasted ur money.
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