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ballselector

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website for ball selection
« on: November 03, 2003, 01:13:24 AM »
I recently purchased a couple new balls, and had a tough time figuring out exactly what to get, so being a developer, figured i would build a database of balls.

  its still under development but i wouldnt mind having some people look at it and give me some ideas.

  It contains basically all the available balls, and allows you to search by RG and differential, and compare balls with each other.

  Its really not meant for the beginner or average bowler, more for the advanced bowler or proshop operator.

  So far, my local pro shop loves it, he can find balls for customers based on technical factors,balls that are flippier/earlier than current balls, balls "like" other balls etc..

  the database is complete, but the web site itself is still being worked on.
  www.ballselector.com
 
  Thanks!

 

louie

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2003, 05:27:24 PM »
Neat site, but it doesn't seem to take coverstocks into account.
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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2003, 05:32:51 PM »
you can filter by coverstock by selecting it from the dropdown (on any type of search)

 you are correct that coverstock has the most to do with a reaction, so you have to make sure your comparing apples to apples.

  I just have all the functionality on that one screen for now, it has to be seperated, but i was looking to get all the functionality done first.

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2003, 05:59:04 PM »
Do you want us to provide feedback?
OTher than the fact that the site looks REALLY useful???
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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2003, 05:59:52 PM »
nice site,if possible ,have a list also by oil  type usage,heavy medium -heavy,medium,medium-light,light

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2003, 10:08:22 PM »
Yes i do want feedback.

  The biggest difference in any ball is the coverstock. As an example, a plastic ball with a low rg and a med differential is going to react much different than a heavy load particle ball with a low rg and a med diff.

  Right now, everything is on one screen, since its being developed, i wanted to make sure all the functionality was there, it will be spread out over several screens in the near future. I know its alittle confusing now, but it will be in an order that makes more sense.
 
  when you query anything, you can select from the coverstock pulldown to make sure that it is equivalent, otherwise you may get plastic balls and particle balls that match. next time just select the type from the list.

  The way the system figures out the RG's and differential (whats low, med etc) is based on the values in the database, it takes the median (meaning the difference between the hi and low, excluding the very lows and highs). so its a sampling of the data, and may change slightly as the database expands. I figured it would be easier to use the words instead of the numbers.

 currently it is:

RG
low = 0-2.498
med/low = 2.499-2.566
med = 2.567-2.634
med/hi = 2.635-2.702
hi=2.703 - 9.9

DIFF
low = 0-.028
med/low = .029-.041
med = .042-.054
med/hi = .055-.067
hi=.068 - 1.0

 I figured this would be the best way since it is relative to the data, if you look at the manufacturers data, they all use diffent ranges. my thinking was to keep it relative to the data to somewhat standardize it. I am open to suggestions for other ranges. When you compare ball1 to ball2 however, the system does go by the actual rg and differential numbers.

 Now keep in mind, the purpose of this site is not to say "you need to buy this ball", nothing replaces the advice of a good pro-shop, its intended to be used as a reference, to point you in the right direction, give you a selection that fits the basic criteria. And its really not for the novice, its intended for higher end bowlers and proshop operators who know what they are doing. With the number of balls out, its nearly impossible to stay on top of them no matter who you are.

  The reason i did this is i figured there had to be a better way than to sit in a pro shop and look at pages and pages of literature to find a ball, especially since there isnt really a way to look at all manufacturers in one place and cross compare them.

  Plus i tried to answer the questions i had, like "i want a ball alittle flippier than my core power LRG".

  as far as figuring out how much oil its for, that definatly something you need to talk to a pro-shop operator. It varies so much with each person no system can tell you that. Im sure a ball robert smith uses on heavy oil, Joe "fluff" will not get the same results. Obviously with the newer particle balls, the higher the particle content, the more oil you will need.


 So use it for what its worth, its a reference not a concrete recommendation. Ideally, you should look at it as a list of balls that should do what you want, now go to the proshop, see what they have and ask "which of these do you think fit my game", this way of the 50 balls on display, there are only a few that your interested in.

 or if your a proshop operator and a customer comes in asking for "a ball that hooks earlier than my V2" you know instantly which of the 50 balls on your display you should direct them to.



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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2003, 09:53:25 AM »
Interesting stuff!  I too had thought to do something like this.

It's fun to play with, but the selection methodology, or perhaps the numbers you assigned for "hook", could use a little work.  I selected the Lane #1 SCB, then asked for a list of balls that hook more.  I should have gotten between none and maybe two.  Instead, I got things like the Vortex 2 solid and the Core Power LRG.  No way either of those balls hooks more than a SCB.  Of the 13 recommended balls, I'd say maybe two are even in the SCB's league.

With a little tweaking, this will be a very valuable tool.  Nice job!
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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2003, 10:04:23 AM »
next time, make sure you select the same coverstock as the ball you are looking at so you are comparing apples to apples. Without doing that, you will get balls with weaker coverstocks which of course wont hook as much.

  I think i better make that alittle more obvious, since looking at the queries being done, most people are not doing that.

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2003, 02:04:46 PM »
Very good idea. Nice effort. Keep up the good work!

It could perhaps be useful to include "particle pearl" and "pearl resin" as categories in the coverstock search criteria.

Other possible search criteria: core-type (2-piece, 3-piece, multi-density, single-density, symmetrical, asymmetrical etc etc).

I'll watch for updated versions. Good luck!



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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2003, 04:30:57 PM »
As mentioned before, coverstock is definately the one area lacking on your site...Calling all Resin balls the same isn't truely useful.  Many stronger resin balls can outhook some of the particle equipment.

The ball makers don't generally publish coverstock breakdowns, especially in reference to other makes.  Maybe you can get permission to cross-reference a length estimate from BTM or some other publication.  The rub there is that year-to-year valuations of length aren't consistent.

I wish that the ball makes would put out some kind of friction statistics for the coverstocks.

All in all, the website is a nice start.  And like you said, its for a more experienced user.  Good luck with it.
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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2003, 04:40:51 PM »
thats true, i wish they would put some kindof friction number or something, with all the new coverstocks its impossible to know what does what.

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2003, 08:48:16 PM »
I just finished the new compare section.
 
  check it out, and let me know some suggestions!

 www.ballselector.com

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Re: website for ball selection
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2003, 10:14:15 PM »
Went to reg. and typed in my first ball Lane 1 XXL, then tried to find the Black Cherry Bomb , and the Red Pearl Cherry Bomb , and didn't see them.
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