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Title: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: chitown on January 13, 2009, 11:44:05 AM: what causes an inverted ball track? I dont have an inverted track im just curious.
Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: stpwned on January 13, 2009, 07:45:06 PM: a back-up ball....
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: Joe Jr on January 13, 2009, 07:49:43 PM: The thumb exiting a little early with cause an inverted track.
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: JustRico on January 13, 2009, 08:11:54 PM: At release, it is where the fingers are, in regards to the thumb, in reference to a line perpendicular to the foul line, that create PAP coordinates.
If the fingers and thumb are in line, there will be very little if any, vertical coordinate. The longer the thumb stays in the balls, as the fingers rotate around this line, the more the vertical will go up. Also, if the fingers are on the outside of this line at release, this will cause a lower lateral, as well as higher vertical.
When the fingers are more on the inside of the line, generally the thumb will be on the outside, which can create an earlier release and a lower vertical coordinate or an inverted track.

Hope this makes sense.
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: JohnP on January 14, 2009, 10:46:39 AM: stpwned -- An inverted track is one with a "down" vertical PAP dimension, not a track that's on the backup side of the grip. -- JohnP
Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: tdub36tjt on January 14, 2009, 11:21:28 AM: So in general, it is caused by keeping your fingers inside the ball and aquick thumb release...Does this mean a lot of the pros have inverted tracks??

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At release, it is where the fingers are, in regards to the thumb, in reference to a line perpendicular to the foul line, that create PAP coordinates.
If the fingers and thumb are in line, there will be very little if any, vertical coordinate. The longer the thumb stays in the balls, as the fingers rotate around this line, the more the vertical will go up. Also, if the fingers are on the outside of this line at release, this will cause a lower lateral, as well as higher vertical.
When the fingers are more on the inside of the line, generally the thumb will be on the outside, which can create an earlier release and a lower vertical coordinate or an inverted track.

Hope this makes sense.
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: JustRico on January 14, 2009, 11:12:09 PM: No. Because of the change in the game, you see more tilt which is creating of a lower track or PAP.
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: Burak Natal on January 15, 2009, 04:32:01 AM: quote:
AN INVERTED BALL IS CAUSED BY A HERNIA

I beg your pardon?
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: Burak Natal on January 15, 2009, 03:31:56 PM: quote:
Why would they want to create more tilt? How do they do it?

To some extend, tilt allows bowling balls store energy. With todays aggressive covers and cores, you need to find a way to keep axis rotation longer. Increasing tilt, again to some extend, is one way to do it.

Usually when you are topping the ball, you increase tilt. This happens when you can not stay behind and under the ball during the release.

However, this is not the only case.

Pulling fingers inward during release decreases tilt and makes your track higher. Vice versa, if you use side of your fingers relatively more WITHOUT pulling inwards when rotating your wrist around the ball, you increase your tilt.

My PAP is 4-1/2 over and 3/4 down, but my track diameter is relatively high. You should stay behind and under the ball in order to achieve this.
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: backswing_aplenty on January 15, 2009, 06:22:11 PM: Those I see with inverted tracks are guys with excessive cup at the bottom of the swing. Whether it's through a wrist device cranked to the limit or a no thumber loading up on it. There's usually a lot of grab associated with an inverted track throughout the armswing, not always at the bottom of the swing but throughout.

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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: BowlingWolf on January 15, 2009, 06:37:48 PM: My 19 year old son has an inverted track, and by no means does he grab or muscle the ball (and he doesn't use a wrist device nor does he cup the ball, just has a good size hand).

He is very smooth, lays the ball down without a sound, gets great length and revs, all while throwing it rather hard.

I do agree that the thumb seems to exit early and the fingers stay in a strong position a touch longer than most.

Not exactly a style/form that can be taught/duplicated, but more the result of the natural ability of some people.
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Edited on 1/15/2009 7:39 PM
Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: Burak Natal on January 16, 2009, 12:52:01 AM: BowlingWolf, I agree.

I developed this "inverted track" while I was practicing to clear my thumb earlier to create more powerful release.

It seems I have over-succeeded
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Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: notsohotshot on January 23, 2009, 11:22:20 AM: WHAT CAUSES A TRACK TO BE ON CORRECT SIDE OF FINGERS BUT OVER THUMB AND THEN OPPISITE SIDE IF THUMB AS IT HOOKS?
Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: JohnP on January 23, 2009, 06:33:10 PM: Sounds like it's a full roller release. -- JohnP
Title: Re: what causes an inverted ball track?
Post by: FBM357 on January 23, 2009, 07:04:29 PM: quote:
Strong release, fingers in the ball longer than "normal"..

this is factual