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northface28

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What causes an inverted track?
« on: April 25, 2007, 06:03:22 AM »
Also, advantages and disadvantages. Is it bad to have this kind of track? What layouts work best for inverted tracks?
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2007, 07:07:36 PM »
Chicken winging the elbow too much and late thumb exit causes inversion.  As for the other two, it'd depend on the bowler which layouts work best.  A good friend of mine is a two handed 500+rpm player with 18-20mph speed and his axis is 3 3/4 right and 2" up.  That's inverted to the extreme! Imagine drilling for him.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 07:09:20 PM »
This track used to be more common with crankers than with tweeners. In fact I have read from a coach or two that this is the preferred track with crankers.

The advantages and disadvantages are dependent on your point of view and ball speed. It is generally an earlier rolling release, as it is often, but not always caused by lifting up without turning your thumb or rotating your fingers. Most times, there is little rotation by the bowler.

On good amounts of oil, this can be an advantage - early roll. On lesser amounts of oil without good ball speed, it is a liability.

In and of itself, it is neither a good thing nor a bad thing. It just is.

However it is still unusual and your driller should know your PAP; so he can drill balls properly.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2007, 07:14:23 PM »
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Chicken winging the elbow too much and late thumb exit causes inversion.  As for the other two, it'd depend on the bowler which layouts work best.  A good friend of mine is a two handed 500+rpm player with 18-20mph speed and his axis is 3 3/4 right and 2" up.  That's inverted to the extreme! Imagine drilling for him.
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DJ, I know you know more about bowling than I do, but doesn't inverted mean that his PAP coordinate would have to be down, not up?  Either way that is quite an extreme PAP.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2007, 07:49:53 PM »
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Chicken winging the elbow too much and late thumb exit causes inversion.  As for the other two, it'd depend on the bowler which layouts work best.  A good friend of mine is a two handed 500+rpm player with 18-20mph speed and his axis is 3 3/4 right and 2" up.  That's inverted to the extreme! Imagine drilling for him.
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DJ, I know you know more about bowling than I do, but doesn't inverted mean that his PAP coordinate would have to be down, not up?  Either way that is quite an extreme PAP.
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Why wouldn't a high vertical measurement not be considered an inversion?  I'd consider an extreme shift in any vertical measurement in the PAP an inversion.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2007, 08:10:01 PM »
a_ak57 is correct.  An inverted track has a negative vertical PAP component.  --  JohnP

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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2007, 09:52:44 PM »
A friend of mine has a 4 3/4 over pap with a 1/4 down coordinate. High rev guy, no chicken-winging or late thumb release. As a matter of fact, a lot of the "elbowers" (chicken wingers) have the up coordinate.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 09:57:45 PM »
Then that means he's starting behind it, then turning it early with the thumb and lifting on the fingers.  Try it in slow motion without a ball in your hand then you can imagine how the ball tracks inverted.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2007, 12:54:18 AM »
Hey guys, I track inverted, My pap is 3 1/2" and 1/4" down.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2007, 01:09:45 AM »
Okay, I got one for you, checked repeatedly today.  No thumb bowler, throws it with one hand, but has a thumb hole in the ball for spares.  

1 7/8 over and 3 1/8 down.  PAP is about 1/2 inch right of his thumb hole.  He throws it smooth as silk, track above the fingers, almost perpendicular to his grip line.

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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 08:50:21 AM »
i can have an inverted track when i move inside and slow down the ball speed and put more revs on the ball, this is when during the downswing i have my fingers around 7 oclock and lift by comming around the ball. this release make the ball flare more but unless theres oil, dont even try it, it will just burn up.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 11:34:53 AM »
Mike, I've seen a track like that before.  I've no idea what you can do.  I can't even figure out how to get a track like that.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2007, 02:44:37 PM »
I know I don't represent anyone other than myself, but here are three consecutive frames of my release.  First is when my wrist is still cupped, the next when I'm releasing and the third I've let go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/a_ak57/3-9release1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/a_ak57/3-9release2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/a_ak57/3-9release3.jpg

I know my finish position is bad, but this is just one way of getting an inverted track.  For reference I'm 3/4" down and 5 3/8" over.
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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2007, 03:16:09 PM »
I'm about as inverted as they come, except no thumbers  --  5 3/8 over and 1 3/8 down.  --  JohnP

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Re: What causes an inverted track?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2007, 03:27:14 PM »
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Crankers or bowlers that keep the hand behind the ball with the thumb at 2 0'clock and index finger at 10 o'clock, then coming out of the ball late with the fingers will cause the track to invert..


Generally requires a strong wrist position maintained through the release..
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