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Nizztos

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What do I need to drill at home?
« on: February 02, 2020, 03:48:19 AM »
I would like to drill my balls at home. Basically just as a hobby and for fun. Willing to put some money into it but the sky is not the limit.

Just need to understand what I need at a minimum.

Drill Press. Is 80mm (~3") chuck travel enough? Would need to swing or lower bed to change drills but I could live with that.

x-y table to do oval holes.

Jig. This seems very expensive for what it is. Can something be cobbled together that works? Seems it is just a ball holder, two long screws and a plate with a hole in it. Am I missing something here?

Bits that cover the sizes of holes I need.

inserts (I will use vise grips or similar for my thumb).

Epoxy since I will at least to start with redrill an old ball more than a few times :)

What else do I need and what are some things I need to consider for the items I have already listed?

 

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2020, 10:42:21 AM »
It sounds like your best bet is to offer to do some plug work or other small tasks at your local pro shop in exchange for using their equipment.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2020, 10:52:49 AM »
I would like to drill my balls at home. Basically just as a hobby and for fun. Willing to put some money into it but the sky is not the limit.

Just need to understand what I need at a minimum.


To get a idea of what to get, you should look at Jayhawks "Pro shop in a box" packages.

http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_Shop_Packages/packages.html

Now they may cost more than you want to spend (I think the cheapest one is about 5K), But they list what comes in it. From that you could determine just what pieces you need and can afford.



    Mini Mill with Jet Press or Pro Jig with Jet Press
    24 Bit Set
    Bit Holder
    BT Fitter
    Jayhawk Pro Model Ball Spinner
    High Speed Sander
    Spyder Layout Tool
    Brunwick Rough Buff Quarts (1 Quart)
    Brunswick Factory Finish (1 Quart)
    Jayhawk Tri Roller
    Bevel Knives (2)
    Classic Pitch Gauges
    Jayhawk Span Tool
    Turbo Pro Sect
    DBA Ball Plug
    DBA Ball Plug Pumps
    DBA Ball Plug Color Kit
    PTS Thumb Plug Dams
    PTS Finger Plug Dams
    Yellow Grease Pencils (12)
    Jayhawk Drill Pads (2)
    Vantage Ball Cups (12)


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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2020, 11:12:08 AM »
I would like to drill my balls at home. Basically just as a hobby and for fun. Willing to put some money into it but the sky is not the limit.

Just need to understand what I need at a minimum.


To get a idea of what to get, you should look at Jayhawks "Pro shop in a box" packages.

http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_Shop_Packages/packages.html

Now they may cost more than you want to spend (I think the cheapest one is about 5K), But they list what comes in it. From that you could determine just what pieces you need and can afford.



    Mini Mill with Jet Press or Pro Jig with Jet Press
    24 Bit Set
    Bit Holder
    BT Fitter
    Jayhawk Pro Model Ball Spinner
    High Speed Sander
    Spyder Layout Tool
    Brunwick Rough Buff Quarts (1 Quart)
    Brunswick Factory Finish (1 Quart)
    Jayhawk Tri Roller
    Bevel Knives (2)
    Classic Pitch Gauges
    Jayhawk Span Tool
    Turbo Pro Sect
    DBA Ball Plug
    DBA Ball Plug Pumps
    DBA Ball Plug Color Kit
    PTS Thumb Plug Dams
    PTS Finger Plug Dams
    Yellow Grease Pencils (12)
    Jayhawk Drill Pads (2)
    Vantage Ball Cups (12)

The problem is finding a drill press / mill that works and does not cost many arms and legs. Not been able to find anything similar to what is offered in the pro-shop packages unless I look at mills even more expensive than the packages. Could be my poor google mojo though.

Out of the rest in that list a lot of things can be skipped at least to begin with (only need two bits to start with for instance, one for fingers and one for thumb sleeve). Do need epoxy so I can fill in and practice on a ball. Spinner can wait. Etc.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2020, 11:50:03 AM »
When I got my drill I used an old ball that would never be used again and drilled it about 4-5 times in different spots as I learned how to do all the pitches and spans. I never bothered plugging and redrilling until much later.

The minimum is drill with jig, bits, layout tool + pencil, bevel sander. Pitch gauge. Grips if you use them, super glue, Slugs if you use them. Bit for slug, tools to oval thumb

« Last Edit: February 07, 2020, 11:54:18 AM by johns811 »

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2020, 12:20:12 PM »
The problem is finding a drill press / mill that works and does not cost many arms and legs. Not been able to find anything similar to what is offered in the pro-shop packages unless I look at mills even more expensive than the packages. Could be my poor google mojo though.


What do you consider a "Arm & Leg" cost for a Press, Mill and Ball Jig, Put a price on them.

That would help everyone point you in the right direction.



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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2020, 01:47:37 PM »
Can't say I have put a firm limit on cost but I would like to get all that I need to start for no more than $1k.

The mills I have seen that can fit a ball all seem to be $5k and up (with the sky as the limit). Drill presses are a lot more affordable and I'm hoping to get away with a tad over $500 if I just know what specs I need. To that I need to add a x-y table for around $200 and the drill bits plus some other parts of the essential tools to get started.he Jig I plan to DIY but will be some cost there as well.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2020, 04:57:15 PM »
Small suggestion to any DIYer

A possible work around drilling ovals is to:

A) If you already have a thumb  you like, buy a thumb mold making kit
B) Buy a oval vinyl slug and use instead
C) Buy an oval vinyl slug, and mold that to get urethane feel (if anyone does this, carefully cover slug with scotch tape and then mold. Vinyl material and silicone mold don't like each other.

For small amounts of plugging material, can use smooth-cast 300 series. I have used this and actual  bowling ball plugging plastics, it's the same thing. But smooth-cast will only save you money if  you need small amount.

Smooth cast has both urethane material you can plug ball with, and silicone molding material. If anyone wants to DIY thumb mold, I've used both smooth cast silicone and the molding silicone they sell for bowling. The smooth cast silicone is much easier to use, and far cheaper. A trial kit costs like $30 and that's enough to make many molds if mess up.

By the time I was done with my DIY ball press and jig, that cost hundreds. But I saw no other option if I wanted to actually do this at home, in my limited space and not spend thousands.

I actually don't really recommend people build their own drill press unless they are crazy (like me), it took me 8 months to design and dozens of  hours to construct, but at least now I can drill anything I want to within 1/16 pitch accuracy. But there are many videos on youtube of  how to make your own drill press, and then can buy a jig.

To save on drill bits -
first drill a small pilot hole, then use a $3 spade bit. (although they don't make 31/32 spade bits). This will work for slugs or the 7/8 diameter grips.

Of course an actual bowling ball drill bit works better. I've done the above with spade bits, but did eventually buy all the bowling drill bits I need.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2020, 05:34:08 PM »
I actually don't really recommend people build their own drill press unless they are crazy (like me), it took me 8 months to design and dozens of  hours to construct, but at least now I can drill anything I want to within 1/16 pitch accuracy. But there are many videos on youtube of  how to make your own drill press, and then can buy a jig.


I might be missing something here, would not be the first time.
What was the complication in building a rig? Seems fairly straight forward to me.

Get a drill press with enough space between spindle and table.
Mount an x-y table on it.
Construct a Jig and mount on the x-y table. Ensure it is centered.

Or are you talking about building a drill press as well?

As for ovals, since I use thumb inserts I can start by using what I have and then get new ones from my PSO but I would like to be able to drill my own.
Not sure if it would be possible but since I actually own a mill (not enough clearance for a ball) I could probably make a Jig for the insert and make the ovals in that.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2020, 07:52:35 PM »
I quite literally built my own drill press and jig out of wood. Well, I bought a hand drill and mounted it. Most of the wooden components had to be preciously cut at a lumbar yard.

I tried to post of picture of it someplace above. It may not look like much, but I can drill very precisely with it.

I also played around doing a lot of pro-shop things in a DIY manner. So I like to think I know some things about DIY ball drilling.

I made numerous ovals for myself by molding sleeves, or filling in tape to a drilled  how so I had a perfect oval that matched my thumb, and molded that.

What I eventually learned after going to countless ball drillers over 2 decades, trying dozens of drilling, and then dozens more that I made myself, pitch changes, span, bevel, everything, is that due to the configuration of my hand and certain past injuries, there is simply no drilling that would allow me to use my thumb well. My home drilling was out of pure frustration that NOTHING ever worked well.

Now I'm a no-thumb bowler and much happier. I can also buy whatever I want and just drill 2 holes in half an hour and I'm done.


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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2020, 03:22:34 AM »
Ahh, yes I saw that picture. Just didn't connect it to your latest post. Sorry.

While I'm happy to do a bit of DIY that is too much for me. Rather spend the money than that amount of time.

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2020, 12:01:38 PM »
Scour your area for a used Jet bench mount mill/drill.  You can buy new for $2000 so you should be able to find used in the $500 range.  Something that will be considered worn out to a machinist is more than good enough to drill a bowling ball.  This will solve the problem of spindle travel and xy movement.  Secure a ring/ball cup to the table that will hold the ball.  Fabricate a top plate to hold the ball securely and tighten it using threaded rod, washers and wing nuts. 

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2020, 12:54:30 PM »
Scour your area for a used Jet bench mount mill/drill.  You can buy new for $2000 so you should be able to find used in the $500 range.  Something that will be considered worn out to a machinist is more than good enough to drill a bowling ball.  This will solve the problem of spindle travel and xy movement.  Secure a ring/ball cup to the table that will hold the ball.  Fabricate a top plate to hold the ball securely and tighten it using threaded rod, washers and wing nuts.

Jet seems to have a very limited presence in Europe. While googling I did find the Jet JMD-18 but I have not managed to find any source in Europe. So finding it used would be hard...
Not found any similar Mills in Europe (hence my $5k guestimate). This could of course also be because I don't know how/where to search.
There is at least one brand similar to Jet but their mills are smaller and will not fit a bowling ball (in fact I actually own one).
While I can find used mills at least sort of local they all seem to be older industrial models that need a fork lift to move (and they are still expensive).

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Re: What do I need to drill at home?
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2020, 02:10:36 PM »
I'm actually going to correct myself.

Axminster in Europe seem to be the same(ish) as Jet at least for some of their products.
So the JMD-18 does exist under the name ZX30M. Same Chinese mill with different names.

Still going to be really hard finding a used one and right now it seems they are out of stock (seem to go for most of the Aminster mills so maybe something going on there).
Also just now noticed the weight. No idea how one is supposed to carry that up or down  stairs in the house :)