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qstick777

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Drilling this x-out
« on: April 20, 2007, 10:29:07 AM »

PAP= 4 7/8 x 1/2 up
Revs ~ 250
Speed ~ 15 mph

Okay, I have a V2 Sweet x-out with the following specs:
3 1/2 oz top weight, and 5-6" pin.

What type of layout should/can I go with, and what type of reaction will it give me?

I was thinking of pin high and either:
a) label - drilling fingers deeper to remove weight, or
b) kicking CG and x-hole on the VAL in the thumb quadrant.


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Re: Drilling this x-out
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2007, 08:50:25 PM »
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I used the numbers from the Weight removal sheet from Jayhawk (http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_s_Corner/Pro_Shop_Forms/weightremoval.pdf), I guess the numbers are based on higher density balls, because I drilled a 1 1/8" hole about 3 inches (as far down as my press would go) and only took out a little more than 1 7/8 ounces.


The weight you removed will be distributed among side weight, finger/thumb weight, and top/bottom weight.  The sum of the changes in all three should be very close to the 2.4 oz the chart says you removed.  --  JohnP

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Re: Drilling this x-out
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2007, 09:41:52 PM »
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I used the numbers from the Weight removal sheet from Jayhawk (http://www.jayhawkbowling.com/Pro_s_Corner/Pro_Shop_Forms/weightremoval.pdf), I guess the numbers are based on higher density balls, because I drilled a 1 1/8" hole about 3 inches (as far down as my press would go) and only took out a little more than 1 7/8 ounces.


The weight you removed will be distributed among side weight, finger/thumb weight, and top/bottom weight.  The sum of the changes in all three should be very close to the 2.4 oz the chart says you removed.  --  JohnP


Thanks John!  I didn't really think about that.  I guess that adds up just about right.  I guess I took out about a 1/2 ounce of thumb weight and almost 2 ounces of side weight.

I guess I can still try to take out some more thumb weight by drilling the thumb deeper.  

From the FAQ, thumb weight will tend to promote earlier roll, and side weight tends to promote later roll.  If I have about 1 oz of side and 1 oz of thumb, do they cancel each other out?

Another question.  If I use a smaller drill bit and change the pitches, can I drill back into the same x-hole and make basically a second x-hole?
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Re: Drilling this x-out
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2007, 10:01:01 PM »
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g.....once you get past 1.5-2" of depth, all you're doing is removing total weight.    Anything deeper than this is just to hit the core and remove mass from the core, changing core dynamics.

Yes, to your question of drilling through an existing hole at an angle to remove more weight without changing the diameter of the existing hole.  It is Legal.

To get back to original question, why not try pin on VAL above PAP maybe two inches, cg on line to center of grip.

I have an higher RG ball drilled like this.    Good revs, length, easy turn.


Thanks!

I threw the ball tonight during league.  Originally looked like it wasn't going to work out for me.  Ended up being great for the 3rd game.  Very nice reaction on carry down.  It's not a big hooker, but it was controlable and carry was very nice.

I'll say that it seems like it will serve a purpose, so I guess I'll leave it as is for now.

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Re: Drilling this x-out
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2007, 11:40:16 PM »
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Yes, to your question of drilling through an existing hole at an angle to remove more weight without changing the diameter of the existing hole.  It is Legal.


This is only partially true, you can use a smaller bit at a different pitch to remove more weight but if any part of the hole extends beyond the original 1.125 hole it could be considered illegal. A ball must be free of voids and a hole drilled inside of another hole at an aternate pitch can make a void.
If this were not so then a bowler could drill twice with the same bit only with alternate pitches to make a larger hole with the same diameter at the surface.
If you look at this pic it shows what I am talking about. The section that is colored gray would be considered a void because it is outside of the original hole.
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