win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)  (Read 5559 times)

JessN16

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3716
I got my hands on a 900Global Break S75 this week and decided to experiment with the drilling a little. I put the pin on the VAL about 4 inches above the PAP, which swung the CG about an inch below and left of the middle finger and the MB in the track at about the grip halfway-line. I then added some polish (Storm Moon Shine) to the cover.

Test bed were AMF HPLs, fresh wet-dry shot, Kegel oil machine (don't know the oil). Pattern appeared to be 38 or 39 feet.

I was throwing pretty much with my hand behind the ball, not as much axis rotation as I usually use. The ball lopes at first, then revved up in a big way in the mids. As you'd expect with a pin on the VAL, it made a fairly fast transition, but then it kept driving and didn't hook out as early as I thought it would. Heavy roll with very good carry.

If I wanted to REALLY see it do tricks, all I had to do was dial in more axis rotation. At that point, it became a little hard to control.

Had seven in a row in practice, then the first five of the first game and shot 257 with it. By the middle of the second game, the surface got to be just way too much. Moon Shine doesn't seem to give as much of a gemstone finish to the ball as other polishes do.

Anyone else ever tried this thing? Ball started off with 2.9 oz top and a 5.5-inch pin, which I figure is going to be a necessity for anyone wanting to try this out.

Jess

Edited on 6/12/2009 9:52 PM

 

clt2244

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 330
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 03:12:49 AM »
I have a ball that is drilled pretty weird as well, so in my PBAX league at my local center, the PBA bowler Robert Smith bowls in it, if your remember the cell pearl he drilled for the Shark pattern on the Long Island Class 2009, i was getting a cell pearled drilled and i tried the layout on my pro shop guys rogue cell (happen to be the same layout), i loved the ball reaction so i put it on my cell pearl, it has the MB drilled out the thumb hole, which at the time i wasnt sure but when Rob seen me throw it he knew it was his pattern, he explained that what he was told (which i found online eventually) if you drill out the MB on the cell weight block, it makes it more symetrical and it revs up very early in the lane, turns out my cell pearl out hooks/flips everything that i have and it does work well on the shark pattern

who would of thought that drilling out the MB would change a ball that much but it does, idk what it does on other balls as it could have a different effect but im planning on trying it on something different

Pic: http://tinyurl.com/CellPearlPic
--------------------
Nothing Hits Like A Roto Grip
In The Bag All 15s:
Roto Grip Rogue Cell
Global 900 Break S75
Roto Grip Grand Illusion
Raw Hammer Toxic
Roto Grip Neptune
WWF Rock Spare Ball
//www.bowlsk.com/view-profile.html
#900Global #ihate9pins

Bag:
DTC Pearl
Dream On
Inception Pearl x2 (Pin Up and Down)
Covert Ops
Honey Badger
Truth Pearl
Truth Solid
Booyah

Others:
Dream
Respect
Sure Thing
Black Boost
Hybrid Boost
Black Ops
Special Ops

JessN16

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3716
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 03:22:11 AM »
clt,

Drilling out the MB seems to work for a lot of people, but not for me. I drilled out the MB on an Epic Saga and it just killed the ball. I've got the MB almost drilled out on an Ebonite Matrix Conquest that I use as a dry-lane ball. It works there, but that ball is drilled to basically die off my hand so I can play up the ditch.

The MB placement on my Break S75 is basically at 9 o'clock to the layout.

Jess

Edited on 6/12/2009 3:22 AM

clt2244

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 330
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 03:47:35 AM »
9 o clock, thats a farily weak placement but if it works, then go for it
i thought about something like that but i was told that a MB placement over 90 degrees based off my pin placement and PAP would create a over/under effect from being too smooth so that killed that idea

this is the first time i tried something like drilling out the MB, i was thinking a epic Odyssey since i have one sitting undrilled, i had a epic saga and didnt like it, it was to unpredictable but my uncle drilled it for himself and loves it
--------------------
Nothing Hits Like A Roto Grip
In The Bag All 15s:
Roto Grip Rogue Cell
Global 900 Break S75
Roto Grip Grand Illusion
Raw Hammer Toxic
Roto Grip Neptune
WWF Rock Spare Ball
//www.bowlsk.com/view-profile.html
#900Global #ihate9pins

Bag:
DTC Pearl
Dream On
Inception Pearl x2 (Pin Up and Down)
Covert Ops
Honey Badger
Truth Pearl
Truth Solid
Booyah

Others:
Dream
Respect
Sure Thing
Black Boost
Hybrid Boost
Black Ops
Special Ops

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 05:25:45 AM »
Jess,

If the S75 is this strong freshly drilled, what the heck are you going to do once it breaks in? YOU do know it's a SOaker and they take 20+ games to break in, and THEN they start hooking!

clt224,

FYI Drilling the MB out, like when you put the it in the thumb hole, increases the mass bias strength of the drilled ball. I don't know by how much or by what percentage.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

clt2244

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 330
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 05:44:06 AM »
i understand to a extent what your saying but just to make sure, can you please explain a little further charlest

and for the s75 break in period, i have never seen this effect on my s75, it was strong out of the box and hasnt gotten stronger, i have heard some people comment on this effect but none actually confirming this, could just be me but i dont see where this ball needs broken in
--------------------
Nothing Hits Like A Roto Grip
In The Bag All 15s:
Roto Grip Rogue Cell
Global 900 Break S75
Roto Grip Grand Illusion
Raw Hammer Toxic
Roto Grip Neptune
WWF Rock Spare Ball
//www.bowlsk.com/view-profile.html
#900Global #ihate9pins

Bag:
DTC Pearl
Dream On
Inception Pearl x2 (Pin Up and Down)
Covert Ops
Honey Badger
Truth Pearl
Truth Solid
Booyah

Others:
Dream
Respect
Sure Thing
Black Boost
Hybrid Boost
Black Ops
Special Ops

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 01:26:13 PM »
As far as I have understood it, putting a hole in the MB marker changes the core dynamics to the extent that if the MB strength (measured in hundredths of an inch) is .020", putting that hole might up it to .024" or .028". I never asked the experts (like JustRico or Mo Pinel) to explain the physics of it. I took their word.

Re: the S75
I haven't tried one yet, but I can tell you it did happen with the DT Soakers I have tried. After that 20-25 games mark, the ball hooked earlier and with more overall hook and more backend.

Once you changed the surface, with polish or dulling, you usually had to wait somewhere near that number of games to see the same or similar performance.

On my Thing Lives, the change was shocking.

I do not know if the process of creating a Soaker coverstock has changed since Phil Cardinale owned/ran Dyno-Thane up to the time he started 900Global and was responsible for AMF's bowling balls.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

tomgriffin

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 98
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 02:12:58 PM »
@ clt2244

I would have thought that drilling through the MB would actually make the ball more asymmetrical versus symmetrical. Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMtLhywZVjA

Scroll to about 4:00 where Hank starts talking about asymmetry.

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2554
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 06:06:38 PM »
quote:
@ clt2244

I would have thought that drilling through the MB would actually make the ball more asymmetrical versus symmetrical. Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMtLhywZVjA

Scroll to about 4:00 where Hank starts talking about asymmetry.


it does..
--------------------
16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

350 RPM, 17 MPH

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24526
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 06:44:26 PM »
quote:
@ clt2244

I would have thought that drilling through the MB would actually make the ball more asymmetrical versus symmetrical. Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMtLhywZVjA

Scroll to about 4:00 where Hank starts talking about asymmetry.


I think that is why it increases the mass bias strength.
The larger the degree of asymmetry, the larger/greater the mass bias strength.

--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

clt2244

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 330
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 08:30:18 PM »
i remember reading on the roto grip web site right after the LI show that the cell pearl he drilled for Robert Smith with the MB drilled out, here is the exact quote from the Chris Schlemer report.

quote:
Not the case with the Cell Pearl. I stacked the pin over the fingers and drilled the mass bias out by placing it in his thumb. This turned the large asymmetric Nucleus core into more of a large symmetrical shape. Thus giving Robert the heavy roll in the midlane he was seeking but with more continuation.


after watching that video, i can see where it would make the cell weight block  closer to being a symmetrical block, idk its still not hitting home yet, ill continue to research it as it has my interest and its bugging me
--------------------
Nothing Hits Like A Roto Grip
In The Bag All 15s:
Roto Grip Rogue Cell
Global 900 Break S75
Roto Grip Grand Illusion
Raw Hammer Toxic
Roto Grip Neptune
WWF Rock Spare Ball
//www.bowlsk.com/view-profile.html
#900Global #ihate9pins

Bag:
DTC Pearl
Dream On
Inception Pearl x2 (Pin Up and Down)
Covert Ops
Honey Badger
Truth Pearl
Truth Solid
Booyah

Others:
Dream
Respect
Sure Thing
Black Boost
Hybrid Boost
Black Ops
Special Ops

Mike Austin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2057
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 08:50:44 PM »
I have drilled many balls with this pattern, it is kind of a "default" pattern for me, usually with good length and a very strong/snappy back end.  Seems to take manipulation with my hand very well, I can make it do different things.

I just drilled a Gravity Shift like this and threw it for the first time today.  Very nice!  It will jerk down lane if I catch it, and it is smooth/strong at the break if I'm soft.  Nice ball, could become a benchmark ball for me.

I agree with the thumb making the ball more asymmetrical.  Kinda along the lines of the big extra hole with the Rico layout.  The Cell Pearl could just be an exception to the rule.
--------------------
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
Mike Austin's Bowling Dynamix Pro Shops
Inside Emerald Bowl
Inside Tomball Bowl
Track Pro Staff Member
Vise Grips Staff Member

JessN16

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3716
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 09:52:01 PM »
For those wanting to see the pattern I'm talking about, here's the ball:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ConStar8788/Bowling%20balls/dscn0769.jpg

Jess

iamone78

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 614
Re: Found a weird drill pattern I really like...(updated with pic)
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2009, 03:12:33 AM »
Read this:

http://www.morichbowling.com/MosCorner/GradientLineBalanceHole/GradientLineBalanceHole.htm

Drilling into the MB (P4) or into P3 increases ball dynamics and thus increases differential or flare potential. However drilling into the PAP (P1) does weaken ball dynamics and mellows out ball reaction.

Also, read about the double thumb layout while you are at it:

http://www.morichbowling.com/MosCorner/DoubleThumbDrilling/DoubleThumbDrilling.htm

The double thumb layout is amazing. I have this on my S75 and it is a sweet ball reaction. Ball gets good length and has a strong backend reaction. Similar to skid/flip, but the flip is very controllable. I have found this ball with this layout to be very versatile from the house shots to the sport shots.

Try it out and good luck!
H. S.
#900Global #StrikingWorldwide #GoGlobal
#StormNation
#SquadRG