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gfh2a

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What is this?
« on: May 26, 2006, 10:05:38 AM »
Roomies a little help please.
Bought a epic battle used with this layout I didn't request pictures.
   mb
o o

   cg
 o

   pin

I think its a fuller rollers layout but I'm not a full roller ppap 4 up 3/4
what kind of reaction would this layout yield?

I added a picture: http://www.putfile.com/gfh2a

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shelley

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2006, 06:07:47 PM »
First, this site doesn't really respect spaces in the layouts, so your picture comes out all squished up.  In the future, you're probably better off using dashes instead of spaces.

Second, yes, that sounds like a FR layout.  Pin at 7:30 to grip center, CG towards grip center, and MB, if there is one, at 1:30 is the classic FR layout.

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SH

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gfh2a

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2006, 06:21:51 PM »
Well actually the pin is at the 5:30 position.  How will this ball react by me not being a full roller?

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2006, 06:36:23 PM »
Whenever I've seen a non fuller roller throw a ball drilled for a full roller the reaction has been rather mild, and this was from high rev guys.  You've got yourself an oil ball, drill it for oil
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shelley

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2006, 08:42:12 PM »
5:30?  Could be a lefty FR drill.  MB at 10:00?

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gfh2a

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2006, 09:31:09 PM »
I don't think it was a left handed drill it also has a weight hole to the right and slightly above the cg.  I'm going to throw it tomorrow just to see what kind of reaction it will produce.

Here is a picture:

http://www.putfile.com/gfh2a

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shelley

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2006, 10:00:52 PM »
Bizarre.  It's more or less a stacked leverage layout with the MB strong, only upside down.  The EB is a strong asym, so the intermediate diff is probably close to half of the normal diff.  You might be able to argue that in that case, you could reverse the pin and MB and still have reasonable RG/diff numbers.  The core orientation would be strange, but reaction-wise you should still get something reasonable.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2006, 10:07:03 PM »
mismark?  maybe pin and mb were both swapped on accident?
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gfh2a

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2006, 10:18:53 PM »
I bought it from bigbandito2004.  The ball looks brand new and as far as I can tell the only oil marks would be a full rollers.  I pm'ed the seller just to ask about this drilling but hasn't got back to me.  I got it for $55 so I'm not too upset.  I've never tried thrown a ball with a full rollers drilling this could be a very good over/under condition ball.

Thanks...everyone

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Mike Austin

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2006, 11:25:43 PM »
This wouldn't really be a full roller drill for a right hander either.  The pin would be in the track or close to it.  Would make the ball go pretty straight, and it could flare onto the extra hole.

Unless your track is pretty low this ball may roll over the thumb hole, and will probably reverse flare.

I would bet that the driller made a mistake, this isn't a very good layout or it is an experiment that didn't work, hence him getting rid of this ball so cheap.  Good luck, but I bet you are plugging this ball up soon.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2006, 12:37:44 AM »
There is a player around here that tracks extremely high and his PAP is 7 1/4. He tracks over his ring finger but has to use this layout sometimes to move his track away from his fingers fast enough.


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Re: What is this?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2006, 09:44:40 AM »
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mismark?  maybe pin and mb were both swapped on accident?


But the pin isn't a mark on the surface, it's an actual pin that physically connects to the core, holds it in place during manufacturing.  It's sanded smooth with the surface.  It can't be mismarked.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2006, 11:05:02 AM »
My opinion on this one...looks to me like either A) someone didn't know what they were doing when they drilled it, or B) the person who told the driller to drill it that way didn't know what they were talking about...
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2006, 12:51:27 PM »
Definitely not a "normal" layout.  If you can get your hand into the ball, I would say just go out a throw it a little.. see where the ball tracks/flares.  My buddy is a lefty full roller.  When I throw his equipment, the bowtie is located under and between the fingers.. the ball hits the fingers on every revolution...  with a very strong covered ball, usually gets lots and lots of length and if there is enough dry, a very sharp backend... if the shot is fresh or any sign of cary down, the ball basically doesn't turn over.

If you are a lowish tracker, I can imagine this ball working out for you...  with the pin below the mid-line, it should reverse flare (towards thumb and away from fingers)...  an old teammate of mine had a ball drilled similar to this.. he spun the ball like a top, but said this type of layout helped raise his track...

let us know how it turns out.  

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gfh2a

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2006, 10:15:24 PM »
well I bowled with it today for practice.  I'm not impressed at all with the reaction.  It was very over under and only covered about 8 boards.  The seller responded to my pm and said all of his balls are being drilled this way.  He stated that he has one alot of money with balls drilled this way because of his speed.  I'm going to put 2000 grit polish on it to see if that will take some of the over under out of the ball.  With so few boards covered it might be a good sport shot ball.

I'm not going to redrill this ball because it's a 16 and I just wanted to throw one just to see if I could tell a difference in pin action.  I definitely could see a difference between the battle and my new 15 pure energy.  But it doesn't matter if you can't get the ball to the pocket.

Thanks for everybody input.

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