Also a post I found from another site where I put in BOLD something I found interesting.

"What excactly is Mass Bias ? Another heavy spot ?

I was waiting for this question! Since I was the person who coined the phrase "mass bias", I hope you guys agree that it is appropriate that I answer the question. The term was invented to express the amount the body of the Hammer 3D Offset was shifted towards the positive side of the ball. It was a "lay" term to say that the "mass bias" was the spot on the y/z plane (the midplane of the ball perpendicular to the pin) of the ball where the inner core body is closest to the outside of the shell of the ball. Whew! That was a mouthful.

The definition has, since then, evolved into two scientifically accurate terms. The "mass bias" is the preferred spin axis (PSA) of the ball which is the high RG axis of the ball. That spot can be identified by spinning the ball on a "DeTerminator". The laws of the universe state that when an asymmetrical ball is allowed to spin freely when energy is imparted to it (a DeTerminator), it will seek and end up on the high RG axis of the ball, the PSA. All drilled balls are asymmetrical, even though they some of them were symmetrical undrilled. There is NO such thing as a drilled symmetrical ball!

The easy answer is that the scientifically accurate term for the "mass bias" is the PSA of the ball which is the high RG axis of the ball. "


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WOW, this guy on the other site is a D#&K!!!

I know this site isn't great sometimes but it is a lot better then having someone/admin lock a thread because of fear or someone getting their feelings hurt. I doubt MO cares if I'm trying to build a determinator since he wasn't getting my $1300 for it any ways.

heres the link

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=747
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You are, sort of, saying that what took lots of time, ingenuity, and engineers to design, should be easily reproduced in your garage from spare parts and in your spare time.

 You are also, sort of, arguing with people who have been involved in the technical issues of bowling probably since before you were bowling, and have LOTS of experience in the field, and on the forum of the guy who owns MoRich company in the first place. Sure you're gonna catch it for saying that you can easily make machines he sells for a profit.

 I'm pretty mechanically inclined, and if given the specs, might be able to create something along the lines of a DeTerminator. I would not, however, tell technically minded people that this machine could be simply, and cheaply, reproduced in my garage with spare parts. It's sort of like telling them they don't know what they're saying/doing, and that they are ripping people off by charging so much for something they could make at home.

 They may also have had to use "exotic" materials in the production of some of the parts, i.e. the "rollers", in effort to reduce the friction, and thus the influence, they would have on the spinning ball.

 If you are able to reproduce the machine, congratulations, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work just right. Sometimes the homespun stuff works, and sometimes it doesn't.
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I didn't notice it was under the Mo and friends till later. I posted mine under other which doesn't matter he gets on there and post under all of it.

After seeing one else where I have a feeling it will not be as hard to do. Since the main idea is for the ball to be able to spin freely that shouldn't be so hard to accomplish.
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