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Title: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: TheGom on January 15, 2008, 09:52:38 AM
I was just wondering how many out there have the same ball in their line up, but with different drill patterns to them?. I had a look at Jeff Carter's arsenal and I saw sometimes 3 of the same ball, but then again he is a bit different then most of us.

Do you ever use both layouts in the same set? Or only when you happen to see different oil patterns?
If one layout is more to your liking, do you find yourself over using this layout over the other?
Have you ever found one type of ball that was "really" different between the two layouts?

Thanks
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: NicholasE on January 15, 2008, 06:19:42 PM
I have 2 total shock and awes and 2 nsane levrgs all at different layouts with completely different surfaces.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 15, 2008, 06:21:37 PM
I had 2 Ultimate Infernos at one time.  Same Layout, one Polished, one not.  It was a good time.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: themachine300 on January 15, 2008, 07:13:44 PM
2 Rivals and 2 Momentums.  Great stuff.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Pat Patterson on January 15, 2008, 07:50:40 PM
From the Legends/Lane Masters Line:

Black Pearl(1 pin above, 1 pin below)
Masterpiece(both pin above, weight hole on above VAL, the other on the VAL)
Conquerer(1 pin above, 1 pin below with weight below VAL))
World Class Particle Pearl(both pin above, weight hole on above VAL, the other on the VAL)
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: laner7pin on January 15, 2008, 07:55:46 PM
At one time I had in the bag:

2 Fury's
2 total infernos
2 red zones
3 classic zones

Each make was drilled differently with different surfaces (example red zones were pin under ring mb kicked out at 2000 abralon, the other pin over the bridge mb next to thumb at 500 high gloss).

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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: J_Mac on January 15, 2008, 08:14:33 PM
Kind of... I've got a Ravage and Archon (fraternal twins, so to speak) laid out differently...  Don't use both at the moment, kind of got the Archon to see how much a different layout would be, and to give my Ravage a rest.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: RandyO on January 15, 2008, 09:27:38 PM
Two Twisted Furys - one "normal" layout and one Rico. Rico to play on the edge of the house wall until the shot breaks down, then move inside a bit with the "normal" one.
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: shelley on January 15, 2008, 09:36:42 PM
The king of that would have to be Clint Daley.  I dunno what he's doing now (shoulder problems?) but before he left he was building whole tournament arsenals around one ball.  10 Animals, then 10 GP2s, then 10 Robo Rules.  Different layouts, different surface preps, covering soup to heavy to light oil.

I haven't had two of the same ball, I don't buy much equipment and by the time I'm ready to buy a ball there's something that's got my eye or I luck into something used.

SH
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: pate08 on January 15, 2008, 09:42:17 PM
I have 2 Super Troopers and I used to have 2 Power Machines. I want to get another Rival and drill it strong, because that ball is amazing.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Big Columbia on January 16, 2008, 05:44:12 AM
I do it all the time. It gives me a great 1-2 bunch especially when I matchs up to the lane conditions....
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Hogsharley on January 16, 2008, 06:04:18 AM
I have 2 Big Rig Diesel's. One pin up and one pin down. I use them both all the time. I'll switch balls to pick up certain spares depending on what is left also.

If you look at Jeff Carters arsenal, he also has the same balls with different grit covers.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: stormed1 on January 16, 2008, 07:37:14 AM
2 Special Agents  1 pin above 1 pin below (4 1/2 x 3 1/2)
3 T-Road Pearls  2 same as specials 1 6 x 4 pin up
2 RS-1  5 x 4 pin up 1 4 1/2 x 0 pin up


used to have 2 high energy's and 2 ZR-40's
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Deathclutch on January 16, 2008, 07:38:46 AM
Two Twisted Furys both with different layouts and surface. One drilled to pickup in the midlane and just roll the other drilled for more skid flip for when the outside gets toasty.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: laddog54 on January 17, 2008, 01:46:58 PM
I have 2 rsx's one with 5.75 pin 4in above midline 45 degree drill cg just right of grip center line 4000 grit with polish. Ball has great length and a late kick. Depending on condition can use on any line. Number 2 has about a 4in
pin next to ring finger cg kick slightly to the right about a 35 degree drill
with a weight hole about an inch inside pap 2000 grit surface. This ball reads earlier with a hard arc (have a 300 with this one). Can cover most med-heavy to med light with just these two balls. Also have had in the bag at one time or another 2 white dots, yellow dots, excaliburs, teal rhinos, navy quantum, midnight quantum, black diamonds, udots and blue hammers.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 17, 2008, 02:02:06 PM
I have a few examples of 2x or 3x equipment with different drills and surfaces.
When I run across a deal on a ball that has proven to be one of my favorites, I will pick up a second one to try a different layout and surface.

My two local houses are both THS shots on synthetics. The shot does not change too much, so two balls with different surfaces is often all it takes to stay in the groove. That said, most of the time, one ball will get the job done with minor changes.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 17, 2008, 02:06:15 PM
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The king of that would have to be Clint Daley...10 Robo Rules.  
SH


I bowled with Clint at a tourney when he carried in 5 two-ball totes stuffed with Robo Rules. It was the first time I had met Clint. I thought he was completely nuts. Now, after talking with him on a few occasions, I KNOW he is completely nuts!

Just messing with you Clint!
Hope that arm gets healed up soon!

For those of you that do not know Clint, he is definitely one of the good guys. You won't run into a nicer guy.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Next Level PS on January 17, 2008, 09:23:33 PM
Theres a bowler at my place that has 4 ebo Gamebreakers.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: EboKnight on January 17, 2008, 09:26:56 PM
2 Raid
2 Clash
2 Gamebreaker
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: T-GOD on January 18, 2008, 10:23:59 PM
If you like a particular ball, why wouldn't you have 2 or more of them..?

Like everyone is saying, either have different layouts, which will give you different entry angles, with one carrying better than the other on certain conditions and visa versa.

Or, have the same layout with different surface grits, at least 1 dull and 1 shiny. Either way or if not both, this is the way to go. =:^D
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: VBP-Dustin on January 19, 2008, 11:03:14 PM
ive got 3 gamebreaks drilled right now  with a 4th getting drilled this week

gamebreaker 1  pin over bridge mb at 3 inches from midline  polished

gamebreaker  2  label  with 2000 finish

gamebreaker 3 pin axis  with 5 mintes in lustre king then another 5 minutes on the other side then beans secret sauce   its like a mirror

gamebreaker 4  will either be rico or pin under ring finger mb at 2.5 inches from midline
Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: scottie on January 20, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
One of my fav buzzsaws is the enriched uranium..have 4..pin under c g out, short pin , 1.30, long pin over ring cg out, and finally a stacked...all have different reactions..if you love a ball, why not drill another rather than invest in another new ball that may or not may not work for you...also, you can play around with the surface to give you even more options...
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on January 24, 2008, 08:38:00 AM
Lets see, I have 3 Risings all drilled different. All three of the layouts. Then I have two deltas, bot with different layouts. Then I will end up having two Machines with two completely different layouts. The cover can be changed per ball to help bring the complet reaction you wanted out. However you will find guys will do this because a simple layout change on a cover they find easy to control and understand will make a move easier to know when to go to it. Yet normally same ball, same cover finish, different layout. this will and give you that say slight little more pull down the lane when say the earlier drilled one is just rolling up slightly to much. This can give you the reaction you need without moving your feet and getting into a over/under are or into playing a area you are not use to or able to play consistent.

For me with the Risings it works out where I start with the suggested 1 layout. !hen it starts to roll up to much. I switch to the Pin up that gives me the same length but a smoother read on the back on the same line. When that is to much, I go to the trick layout that will roll real early but do just that roll. It will not flip hard so when I get on lanes with screaming backends it helps calm them down and give me a rico like reaction.

The other way of doing this is with say something like two balls where the only thing different is the cover. Storm has some good examples for this. Say you have a jolt particle, a solid reactive jolt and the pearl. You keep the covers different and the layouts the same. This gives you a layout you understand and you let the cover make up how the ball will react. This was is easier to get the balls to fall in line because of how strong the covers are today. However a very versatile ball can give you a world of reactions with layout and/or just a simple cover change.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: directdrill on January 24, 2008, 08:58:06 AM
I have two Mystics, one drilled pin under bridge, 4-1/2" from PAP with the CG at 45 degrees and the other (will pick up today or tomorrow) drilled pin over ring, 5" from PAP with the CG at 45 degrees.  Intially, I'll keep OOB finish on both, but I need to throw the pin up one and see if I want a surface change.
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Title: Re: Who Has The Same Ball, But Different Layouts?
Post by: 12X on January 24, 2008, 09:07:40 AM
3 Angular One with 3 different lay out