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Juggernaut

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Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« on: July 03, 2006, 02:26:50 PM »
Back in the early 90's, a drill pattern emerged around here and became very popular called "block" weighting.

  You took a two piece, pin-in ball,  Put the pin/cg on the grip midline 3 3/8 inch from the grip center and a weighthole 3 3/8 past that.  Made the ball very smooth and continuous.

  Last week, I tried my old urethane COBRA drilled this way.  I loved the reaction I had, just not enough pop on the backends to carry the corners out consistently. I was wondering, if I took a good ball of today ( a particle or solid reactive ) with a pin-in and drilled it this way, could I expect to get the same reaction type with just more backends reaction, or would it be something TOTALLY different?
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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 11:46:32 PM »
I don't know, why don't you try it and let us know..? =:^D

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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2006, 11:47:16 AM »
I don't know either, but a couple of thoughts.  The reaction would depend on your PAP location.  The pin to PAP distance for the proposed layout could be anywhere from 0 to about 3".  At 0 (spinner track, PAP located 3 3/8" straight over), the core would be essentially taken out of play tending to make the ball fairly smooth.  At 3" (PAP location would be something like 5 3/4" over and 1 1/2" up), you would get almost 90% of the flare potential.  And the location of the X-hole in relation to the PAP would vary similarly.  Check the pin to PAP for your PAP location and you'll have some idea of what the layout would do.  --  JohnP

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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 02:10:57 PM »
John P.,

  I am aware of all that, I was just trying to get opinions as to whether todays balls would have the same reaction type with this drilling.

  I already know that I like the reaction I get with this type of drilling, just worried that todays dynamic cores might cause too much flare, even with it being pin-in.

  With my pin-to-pap, it leaves my pap above the pin/cg <about> two inches.  The old cobra has a bit of flare, but really doesn't try to read anything on the lane until it gets to the backends.

  I guess I am going to have to try this one out and see for myself. Now, if I can only find a good pin-in ball.....HHHHMMMMMMMMMMM?
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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2006, 08:03:15 PM »
For the most part a leverage weight drilling.

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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2006, 02:20:19 AM »
The block weight layout that I remember was with 3 piece or pancake type balls.  Center of the grip was 3" left and 3" up for a right hander, weight hole back down like 7 inches from grip center through the cg.

Made the ball rev up really fast, lots of hook.
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Re: Would "BLOCK" weighting work today?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2006, 04:47:28 PM »
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Last week, I tried my old urethane COBRA drilled this way. I loved the reaction I had, just not enough pop on the backends to carry the corners out consistently


Before you buy another ball, how about resurfacing the Cobra, and maybe put a light coat of polish to aid in the back end?  Worth a shot?
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 Cristofori,

  A nice thought, but with the cobra being a true urethane, polishing the surface only reduces the "hookability" of the cover stock.

  The newer resin balls hook because they actually "stick" to the lane, sort of like getting bubble gum off by using bubblegum to stick to it, the balls have a resin which tries to stick to the modern lane surfaces. Takes much less surface contact to generate enough friction to get the desired hook reaction.

  The older urethanes, however, work more like a mud grip tire. The deeper the grooves ( or the more open the pores in the surface), the more oil it can handle by allowing the oil to migrate into the grooves(pores) and leave the urethane surface to generate friction. Without the resin additives in them, and with the limited surface contact, the old urethanes just don't generate that much friction on todays oils.
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