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Traumatize

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Rico1 on Assymetrical
« on: July 07, 2005, 04:54:04 AM »
Hows Rico1 work on assymetrical balls layout wise???  Does the weighthole end up on the MB, or is it placed according to where the CG ends up?  A friend of mine mighit drill his GP2 like this, and I just want to make sure hows it done correctly.
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2005, 11:18:50 PM »
I tried this for someone, I would make the weighthole 4-5" away instead of the 6 3/4" away where the MB would be.
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2005, 11:38:12 PM »
Traumatize,

The CG being at the 45* that it is supposed to be for this layout is what you need to look at. You have to remember, not all of the PINS, CGS and MBS are inline on these balls.

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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2005, 11:48:29 PM »
But the CG has no effect on ball reaction, why would it need to be taken into consideration on this layout over any other.
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2005, 11:50:12 PM »
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But the CG has no effect on ball reaction, why would it need to be taken into consideration on this layout over any other.
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Because the CG would dictate where you put the weighthole...
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2005, 11:52:49 PM »
So is doesn't matter where the MB is placed?
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2005, 11:54:42 PM »
Traumatize,

Andy hit it on the nose bud. If you take the MB into consideration on this layout then you could end up having the CG WAY below the thumb thus creating a ton of thumb weight, enough that could be nearly impossible to take out.

With where the MBs generally fall (as far as not being in line with the PIN and CG) this is going to place the MB in a position to roll early and still leave the strong arc characteristics that this layout is designed for.

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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2005, 11:55:27 PM »
Thanks Ex.  And good explanation about the MB too.
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2005, 11:56:05 PM »
I do need to make one correction......if you were to drill a GP2 with a very short pin, like 1 inch, then ofcourse I would place the MB at the 45* that you would normally want the CG to be at.

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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 12:16:05 AM »
Now what is the C.G is out of line from the MB?  I've seen a friend's El Nino Wrath drilled stacked leverage, pin next to ring finger, C.G. stacked 2 inches below, but the MB is way left in the track area.  What type of reaction would that provide?

Balls come with out of line placements of Pin/C.G./MB all the time(especially some of the track stuff I've seen lately), wouldn't the MB still have some sort of effect on the ball to say if you layed out the ball "Rico1" with the C.G at a 45 degree angle, but the MB was out of line to the point it was left of the grip in the bowler's track?

Would you have a problem then getting the reaction you're supposed to get?
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Re: Rico1 on Assymetrical
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2005, 12:25:35 AM »
DP3,

Worst case scenerio if you have the CG at 45* the MB would be either closer to PAP, OR it would end up lower but still close to VAL. If you placed the CG at 45* the MB wouldn't get left of thumb.

 
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Now what is the C.G is out of line from the MB? I've seen a friend's El Nino Wrath drilled stacked leverage, pin next to ring finger, C.G. stacked 2 inches below, but the MB is way left in the track area. What type of reaction would that provide?


It is difficult to say much about the older storm stuff. I remember someone saying something about the the MBs being as far off as 4-5 inches in some of the older stuff.
Generally speaking if a ball was laid out that way and the MB was accurately marked that layout would be an early rolling ball with a very control type reaction throughout the entire lane. NOW, the Wrath was a very good skid/snap ball for most, so the coverstock would come into play as well.

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