Author Topic: High Pin Layouts? (Read 3116 times)

kingpin268 · « **on:** January 07, 2007, 12:41:25 AM »

Of late, I've been struggling with the latter games in JBT tournaments I've been going to. I have a Hyrbid Dirty Bomb drilled rico that is my go-to ball and it is perfect for the first 3-4 games. But with so many kids bowling, the lanes dry and dry out fast. My next weakest ball is the Trooper which is a decent ball, but only on absolute dry lanes. I have a V2 Clean, drilled pin over ring, and it is a bit too strong as a good step down the HDB.

I was thinking of redrilling the Clean with a high pin and perhaps over the middle finger to get more length out of it. My PAP is about 4 1/2" over and 1" down so this should almost put the pin 6-6 1/2" from my PAP. I've noticed pros like PA using a really high pin and wanted to know what you guys think of that type of layout. I've never used one quite like that and am seriously considering it for late tournament blocks. I dont and have trouble generating high speed that alot of the other kids use to battle dry lanes. Once I get past 17's I sacrafice everything else. So I'd like to hear your opinions on this matter. I'm not looking to buy a different ball so we can rule that out. Thanks ahead of time!
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JohnP · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2007, 02:35:08 PM »

Ric -- With the pin that high you're not going to be able to use much of a balance hole at 2 1/4" down the VAL from the mid line, are you? He doesn't want to buy a new ball, so he's stuck with the pin-out and top weight of the ball he has, which he hasn't given us. Maybe if he uses grips and drills the finger holes an extra couple of inches deep. -- JohnP

Edited on 1/7/2007 3:37 PM

JohnP · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2007, 08:37:59 PM »

That's the way I read it too. If the pin is far enough above the holes to avoid voiding the warranty and the ball has either a short pin-out or high top weight, drilling all holes at normal depth is going to give a fairly high thumb weight. Then drilling a balance hole in the positive thumb quadrant, it's either going to be a very small hole or make the thumb weight illegal. Unless the finger holes are super deep. Or maybe he meant to put the balance hole 2 1/4" down the VAL from the pin instead of from the midline. -- JohnP

chitown · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:53:32 AM »

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That's the way I read it too. If the pin is far enough above the holes to avoid voiding the warranty and the ball has either a short pin-out or high top weight, drilling all holes at normal depth is going to give a fairly high thumb weight. Then drilling a balance hole in the positive thumb quadrant, it's either going to be a very small hole or make the thumb weight illegal. Unless the finger holes are super deep. Or maybe he meant to put the balance hole 2 1/4" down the VAL from the pin instead of from the midline. -- JohnP

John I think he meant putting the pin 5 3/4" from the pap. Then he said above the finger area. I don't think he meant using the "Tommy Jones" type of layout where the pin is 3" above the fingers.

I'm not sure if your taking it that way or not?
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kid51178 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2007, 07:13:23 AM »

My favorite ball is a Dynothane The Thing that I have punch with the pin 6 inches from my pap, about 1 1/2 above and to the left of my middle finger. The reaction is the most controlled arc I have ever seen, not to strong but strong enough to take out the corners. I don't think that layout is for everyone, put it works great for me.
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JohnP · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:40:08 PM »

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I'm not sure if your taking it that way or not?

Nope, I think I understand exactly what he's saying (5 3/4" pin to PAP with the pin located above the finger holes). My question is -- How can you put a balance hole of any size in the thumb hole area when the ball already has finger weight? I don't thnk Ric is taking into account the necessity for an independent ball driller to maintain the warranty on the ball by keeping the pin a decent distance from the finger holes. The pro's could care less if a ball cracks after 50 or 60 games, they just throw it away and drill another. My customers want my head if the warranty is no good. As I said, extra deep finger holes may do the trick (but that changes the dynamics of the core in other ways). -- JohnP

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JohnP · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2007, 09:26:07 AM »

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If you get a pin that is 4+ you can place the pin above and place the hole down.

Agreed, but kingpin268 was working with an existing V2 Clean, and I doubt it had a 4" pin out. -- JohnP

Edited on 1/12/2007 10:25 AM

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2007, 09:41:59 AM »

Brich...gave BOTH solutions...for pin out...and pin in balls to solve same problem...no?

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