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Ball doesn't release for another week and a half at least and there are other shiny pieces that have people's attention as well on the higher end of the spectrum. Honestly looking at the stats they seem to be the same balls, just re-branded. I don't know for sure, but YouTube videos and just looking at the numbers that is what I would assume.

But as the saying goes, assumptions make assholes 

Thanks, guys.
That's basically what I had assumed, but, as you say, EL3MCNEIL, "when we assume, ...."

I figured they were just re-done Misfits to freshen appearances in the pro shop. The originals were too strong for lighter oil and these use the Red/Orange core to be more useful for beginners and light oil.

Hopefully some staffer who has tested them will give a straight forward opinion.

I plan on buying one on release.

When you compare the core numbers to the original Misfits the core is a bit weaker. The coverstock is also a bit weaker then the original covers on the Misfit.

Charlest just from what I am seeing on their website, I think and agree the original Misfits were too strong for an entry level ball. I think the Red/orange Misfit is eventually where they got the reaction they were looking for. Weaker core and cover then the original Misfit. At that point you rename it and make that your new ball for entry level.

The Outcast core numbers show to be a bit weaker then the red/orange and the cover doesn't have a C on the end of its name lol. I think they found what they wanted in the red/orange misfit to continue on with.

I wish I could help. I never threw the Misfits. I drilled my Outcast last week. I have only used it for a few games. Our house shot is 43' and 24mL with wood lanes. Drilling is 70/4.75/55 (pin in the rf CG on midline). The Outcast got easy length through the heads, as expect, and had a good backend motion. I didn't see the ball hook too much unless I really hit it at the bottom and had slow speed. The OOB polish may be good for many, I prefer it at a smooth 4000 finish.

Thanks, tommymo, but with that much length and that much oil, I'd have to believe you'd almost need to throw an Outcast down the first the arrow to get to the pocket. I can see why you never needed to even think of a Misfit.

I think it would be more useful on 36-38 feet and 17 - 19 ml (typical of most house shots in my area).

Quote from: tommymo on October 20, 2014, 08:29:18 AM

I wish I could help. I never threw the Misfits. I drilled my Outcast last week. I have only used it for a few games. Our house shot is 43' and 24mL with wood lanes. Drilling is 70/4.75/55 (pin in the rf CG on midline). The Outcast got easy length through the heads, as expect, and had a good backend motion. I didn't see the ball hook too much unless I really hit it at the bottom and had slow speed. The OOB polish may be good for many, I prefer it at a smooth 4000 finish.

Thanks, tommymo, but with that much length and that much oil, I'd have to believe you'd almost need to throw an Outcast down the first the arrow to get to the pocket. I can see why you never needed to even think of a Misfit.

I think it would be more useful on 36-38 feet and 17 - 19 ml (typical of most house shots in my area).

I'd think about an Outcast playing down and in more on my 39' 19ml house condition.

I found the Red/Orange to be fairly early for a lower end piece and can handle some decent volume if you decide to give it a light scuff.
My Green Outcast is definitely straighter through the front and revs up a lot later.  Our drier house has first gen synthetics so we use 41' Beaten Path as our house shot and I took my Outcast to 2k just so I could to use it in league.  It worked going right up the track and had a strong roll off the back but I know that it would look better on lighter patterns