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Big Jake

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DV8 power scale
« on: October 23, 2012, 06:58:48 PM »
Hello DV8ers
 I'm gonna ask you DV8 people a favor, if you dont mind. Could you put down your feeling on what you think the DV8 power scale is, I know it is a suggestive thing, however, it will help people like me out.

 What I am doing is using a scale with the numbers from 1-20 with 1 being the minimal about of hook (basically your plastic ball) and 20 being the most powerful
hooker out.

 So, 1 = no hook and 20 = massive hook. Also I feel the 1-10 scale is not enough room since there are a lot of DV8 balls out now.

 And I am starting off with the Hell Raiser Revenge @ 17 on the scale

 Also, I need to know what cover is what!! in other words the "Hell Raiser Revenge" = Solid Reactive .

 Because I have been reading different covers on the same ball in here and other places as I think this would help people to decide their pick of what DV8 ball to get.

 An example would be me: I thought that the original "Hell Raiser" was a Solid and I discovered it was a Pearl.  Thanks!

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Hell Raiser Revenge
 
Hell Raiser Terror
 
Hell Raiser
 
Nightmare
 
Marauder

Marauder Madness

Too Reckless 

Reckless   
 
Misfit   
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Brandon Riley

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 07:23:47 PM »
Ball                       Hook in Oil         Backend

Hell Raiser Revenge    17                     7
Hell Raiser Terror       15                     9
Hell Raiser                 13                     4
Marauder                  10                     6
Too Reckless             13                     7
Reckless                   12                     5
Misfit Green               10                     9
Misfit Orange              7                      5
Misfit Yellow                9                      5
Slingshot (comparison)5                      4
Versa (comparison)    14                     7

I haven't had enough time to make a fair judgement of the nightmare and Madness
I can tell you that the Nightmare creates more backend than the Revenge.
The Madness is somewhere between the Revenge and Too Reckless in Hook and has similar backend to the Too Reckless
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 10:48:28 PM »
Instead of hook in oil, shouldn't the graph be something like skid or cover aggressiveness?
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Big Jake

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 12:16:05 AM »
Thanks Brandon R.
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Big Jake

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 08:31:30 PM »
OK, I'm wrong again, in the above post I had said that I thought the 'original' Hellraiser was a solid but I found out it was a pearl, however, I now find out that its a "Hybrid"...so what is it??

So for those who know please list the ball cover for the matching ball, thanks.. heres the link that says its a hybrid...

http://www.ballreviews.com/dv8/dv8-hell-raiser-t279322.0.html
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TWOHAND834

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 08:56:22 AM »
What does the DV8 website say??
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 09:01:22 AM »
After looking at it myself, the website says nothing; only what "class" the cover is.  Why would they do that??
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Big Jake

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 09:30:21 AM »
@Twohand, bingo!! it basically keeps everything top secret, LOL, but thats OK I sent an email to DV8 and got a nice reply.
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Big Jake

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 09:42:21 AM »
Results about cover stock sent from DV8: Brian Graham Director of Sales and Marketing...

Hell Raiser Revenge = solid

Marauder Madness = solid

Nightmare = solid

Too Reckless = solid

All Misfit = solid
 
Hell Raiser = hybrid
 
Marauder = hybrid

Reckless = pearl

Hell Raiser Terror = pearl
 
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TWOHAND834

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 11:08:48 AM »
Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls?  Correct me if I am wrong.  But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend?  I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular.  But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers.  Or at least I do.
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 07:10:18 PM »
Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls?  Correct me if I am wrong.  But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend?  I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular.  But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers.  Or at least I do.

But, Steve, that doesn't mean solids can't be angular too.
You're "assuming" when you imply that only pearls can be angular. You know what it means to "assume" (See "The Odd Couple", Felix's harangue against Oscar!)

I mean, look at the Cyclone, the Blue/Green Centaur (As you forced me to admit!!!) and more than a few similar polished solids. They are or can be quite angular.
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 10:11:41 PM »
Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls?  Correct me if I am wrong.  But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend?  I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular.  But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers.  Or at least I do.

But, Steve, that doesn't mean solids can't be angular too.
You're "assuming" when you imply that only pearls can be angular. You know what it means to "assume" (See "The Odd Couple", Felix's harangue against Oscar!)

I mean, look at the Cyclone, the Blue/Green Centaur (As you forced me to admit!!!) and more than a few similar polished solids. They are or can be quite angular.


I agree with you 100%.  I am just referring to the tendencies of ones thoughts when it comes to angular balls and the types of covers.  With one thinks angular, you think balls like a 3D Pearl Hammer, Storm Reign, Green Gargoyle, and other balls of that nature.  When you think polished solids, the tendency is to think hard arc, but not really angular. 
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2012, 05:01:18 AM »
TwoHands,

True. I even do that, but it is a prejudice we should try to wean ourselves off.
However, on the other hand, look at the recent number of "pearlized" and hybrid balls, some manufacturers have released that they are marketing DULL as oilers. I have avoided them since many I have to eventually polish to be able to use on the amount of oil I see. Balls drilled for a semi-strong reaction, when polished, will tend, for me, to become too flippy to control when they are based on pearlized balls, and, to a lesser extent, Hybrid balls.

So if I want to get a stronger ball, for my own sake, I tend to stick with solids. I see more pearls with strong backends than solids, although they are making more solids with very strong backends. Some examples start with the Virtual Gravity and end with the newest Mass Eruption (according to the current issue of BTM, a very strong backend).

Still, as someone wrote a long time ago,
"You buy a ball reaction, not a (specific) ball?"
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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2012, 09:59:07 AM »
I'm thinking maybe the reason they don't tell you is for that exactly, they make a ball that's very angular, but most people will assume that since its a solid it wont be as advertised. A few other manufacturers are doing this also, Hammer for sure.

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Re: DV8 power scale
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 10:44:14 AM »
Being that DV8 is making such a large line-up now I don't see them ONLY making angular balls.  Maybe they started that way but I doubt it now. 

I look at backend reaction and ball motion as faster, moderate and slower response times.  Ball surface, layout and cover/core combo's allow for these factors along with the bowlers stats.  For a complete arsenal a bowler needs all of these fast, moderate and slow response reactions to compete on more demanding conditions but not so much on house conditions.

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