@lefty2511. Yes the Diva Ive had the most success with is the one I shot the video with. Pin under middle finger. 60x5x70. I did hit the ball with a 4000 pad even before I drilled it, as I usually do with all the highly polished balls. I just drill another one 70x5 1/2x60. Ill let you know how she works after this weekend. I left it at box finish hoping to use it a little later in the block if the lanes burn up real bad.