Not at all a shot at them. I miss spoke . . . It's just a step below that top tier price point is what I was trying to say. A lot of bang for the buck, and a reaction shape that is favorable for many styles. Brunswick went this route with the Fortera line as well. Personally, I think it's a smart idea. In my area and from what I'm seeing on social media . . . DV8 has really turned some heads with the new releases. There's a lot of talk about the Vandal.