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jjweb

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Arsenal setup
« on: March 08, 2004, 07:19:27 PM »
I wanted to get some opinions and suggestions on the arsenal I’m setting up and drilling suggestions too. I’m going to start bowling a lot of tournaments (first timer), so I need versatile arsenal.

This is what I was thinking of:

Anomaly (Drilled strong)
Vendetta Particle (I already own it, drilled pin under ring, CG stacked under ring)
Element (Already have one, pin above ring, CG about 1/2 inch past ring)
Thing (Already own this one too, drilled 3 3/8 leverage)
Thing Returns (Drilled to go long and snap)
Barrage (Drilled to be controlled on dry)

I also have a few questions though….

1. I have a Silver Streak Pearl drilled 4 X 4 (giving it to my brother). Would the Thing Returns go longer and turn harder than the SSP, if I drilled it up 4 X 4? Or would I get a similar reaction?

2. Would the Anomaly be stronger than my Vendetta Particle? I want to use it as my Heavy-heavy ball.

3. If I lightly polish the Vendetta Particle, would it still be effective on Med-heavy/Med carrydown? I wanted to use it when the Anomaly would be too strong, but the Thing is going too long.

4. Would I be able to use the Barrage on extreme dry? Could It also double as a spare ball?


I appreciate any help, thanks.
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:06 PM
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2004, 01:46:36 PM »
Sorry for the long winded post.
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2004, 02:10:38 PM »
Basically I wanted to handle a variety of different conditions. I also forgot to put that I already have an Element.
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:08 PM
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2004, 02:13:12 PM »
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if your looking for length and snap, look into the D/T Element!


??? Mine is a mid-lane reader, and arcy, ...not flippy at all.......
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2004, 02:17:45 PM »
My Element will get flippy/snappy on clean or very dry backends, but only only under those conditions. Most of the time it's a nice hard arch.
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:12 PM
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2004, 02:48:30 PM »
-The Anomaly will definitely be stronger than the Vendetta Particle, and you would be correct to drill it strong, it's an oil ball so drill it for oil.

-The Barrage would work as a spare ball, but don't be suprised if you're bowling on a house condition and it hooks away from the 10 pin.  I use my Thing Returns for dry lanes, drilled mellow it will glide through all but the most fried heads and still have energy on the back end.  

-In my opinion, any DT arsenal should include the Black Vendetta, for me it fits in between the Vendetta Pearl and the Thing (I don't use the Element).  It is the first ball out of my bag, any of the other regulars agree?

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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2004, 05:37:44 PM »
With your arsenal -- which looks like your preferences -- I would set up roughly the following arsenal:

Anomaly, sanded to 600, drilled 4x2 or 4x3.
Vendetta Particle
Element
Thing (lightly polished)
Vendetta Black (polished)
Barrage (box, pin in, pin under ring, CG directly below)

I think that this line-up will provide you with a continuum of reactions you will understand and like, given your current line-up.  If you would prefer more angular stuff, this is not it.  But a 185 average bowler with a current arsenal of arcy stuff should probably not choose a snappy ball -- it simply won't be predictable for you,and that is what you need in tournaments.
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2004, 06:21:59 PM »
I really thought the cores with the Soaker coverstock matched-up with me well, so I thought I would stay with that. I've had such success with that combination. But, if you guys think the Vendetta Black would be a better choice? I really liked the skid snap reaction (very consistent ball with an easy read) I was getting from my SSP, but I want to move all Dyno-Thane.

Guys, I really appreciate all the help!!!
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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2004, 06:46:00 PM »
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I really thought the cores with the Soaker coverstock matched-up with me well, so I thought I would stay with that. I've had such success with that combination. But, if you guys think the Vendetta Black would be a better choice? I really liked the skid snap reaction (very consistent ball with an easy read) I was getting from my SSP, but I want to move all Dyno-Thane.

Guys, I really appreciate all the help!!!
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Josh, I prefer more angular (snappy) equipment and don't particularly like the Black.  But your tournament needs are definitely different than mine.  For example, my tournament equipment includes an Anomaly, a couple of particle balls from other manufacturers (horrors), an Element, a Voodoo (P.C. designed it so he can't be too angry), a Thing Returns, a Vendetta, and a Barrage.  My personal favorite of the bunch for tournaments is the Vendetta (just won a match play tournament using it for most of the tournament -- thanks Phil).  Snappier or flippier stuff has the advantage of getting through the heads and midlanes cleaner than most of the early rolling equipment, so you take more of the lane conditions out of play.  However, such equipment requires consistency in speed and release to give yourself predictability at the breakpoint. Lots of folks, especially 180-200 average bowlers think they want flippier equipment (they tend to like the looks of the reaction) while what they need is more predictable, smoother equipment.
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2004, 11:20:13 AM »
One of the problems I've been having lately is the backends drying out very quickly. If I'm playing my Thing and I swing it too far it hangs and either washes out or leaves some nasty double wooded spilt. If I try and move right, square-up and increase my ball speed, it turns way too hard on the backend, crossing over. I can play my Element on the shot, no problems swinging it, but I leave a lot of back pins (7, 8, 9) amazingly not that many 10's.

Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?

How would you suggest to drill the Vendetta Black?

A few of the tournaments I'm going to bowl, are both local houses. One of the advantages I think I have is, I know how the lanes breakdown, playing then to my advantage is another story....
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2004, 11:32:11 AM »
The Black and the new Pearl Particle , for me, both create a smooth reaction, and move great at the midlane..
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2004, 11:33:39 AM »
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Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?


I'd look into the particle stuff.  That will smooth out your harsh transitions.

Start with the solid particle... drilled strong, medium polish.  Should give you enough backend without jerking.

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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2004, 12:23:45 PM »
I guess this is the route I'm going:

Anomaly (either 4 X 2 or 4 X 3, 600 grit)
Vendetta Particle (kept 800 right now)
Element (kept at 800)
Thing (around 1500)
Vendetta Black?
Barrage (pin under ring, CG stacked under ring)?

Did I cover everything?
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Edited on 3/10/2004 1:29 PM
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2004, 05:09:33 PM »
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One of the problems I've been having lately is the backends drying out very quickly. If I'm playing my Thing and I swing it too far it hangs and either washes out or leaves some nasty double wooded spilt. If I try and move right, square-up and increase my ball speed, it turns way too hard on the backend, crossing over. I can play my Element on the shot, no problems swinging it, but I leave a lot of back pins (7, 8, 9) amazingly not that many 10's.

Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?


Polishing the ball may only exacerbate the violent reaction you are getting on the backend.  When I got my Black Vendetta, the box finish was too rough, the ball hooked at my feet, so I polished it up, and proceeded to leave a whole bunch of 4-9s and 2-8-10s.  The ball hooked too strong off the dry, and not enough off the oil.  Didn't carry the ball for a while.

After some consultation with the King, I took some of the polish off, so the ball has a sheen on it, and now it's the first ball out my bag, it doesn't snap, but moves smoothly and doesn't stop.  I think you have to be willing to spend the time, practicing with a ball and tweaking the cover to get the ball reaction that you want, I think it is as important as the ball layout to success.
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2004, 05:25:30 PM »
I would also recommend you getting a Vendetta Black for your benchmark ball.  I haven't thrown one but am very good friends with a guy on staff and that ball is unbelievable for him.  I haven't been impressed with the thing, and would maybe recommend a crisis to go between the Black and the barrage.  I have a crisis and it's a great controllable ball that gets good length and very clean through the front.  You can probobly get one pretty cheap now too.

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