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jjweb

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Arsenal setup
« on: March 08, 2004, 07:19:27 PM »
I wanted to get some opinions and suggestions on the arsenal I’m setting up and drilling suggestions too. I’m going to start bowling a lot of tournaments (first timer), so I need versatile arsenal.

This is what I was thinking of:

Anomaly (Drilled strong)
Vendetta Particle (I already own it, drilled pin under ring, CG stacked under ring)
Element (Already have one, pin above ring, CG about 1/2 inch past ring)
Thing (Already own this one too, drilled 3 3/8 leverage)
Thing Returns (Drilled to go long and snap)
Barrage (Drilled to be controlled on dry)

I also have a few questions though….

1. I have a Silver Streak Pearl drilled 4 X 4 (giving it to my brother). Would the Thing Returns go longer and turn harder than the SSP, if I drilled it up 4 X 4? Or would I get a similar reaction?

2. Would the Anomaly be stronger than my Vendetta Particle? I want to use it as my Heavy-heavy ball.

3. If I lightly polish the Vendetta Particle, would it still be effective on Med-heavy/Med carrydown? I wanted to use it when the Anomaly would be too strong, but the Thing is going too long.

4. Would I be able to use the Barrage on extreme dry? Could It also double as a spare ball?


I appreciate any help, thanks.
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2004, 05:35:52 PM »
The Barrage is a very good dry lane ball, and generally covers fewer boards than my first-generation urethanes.  Even so, the Barrage doesn't deflect as much as the urethanes on pocket hits.  I've thrown the barrage on both fried heads and fried backends with no overreaction.  If you find lanes too dry for the Barrage, it is time to start using your plastic, rubber, or even a lane ball because at that dry, you don't want to ruin any of your expensive eqiupment.

I agree with "the prince" - you can use the Barrage as a spare ball on medium through heavy oil, but realize that it will still wrinkle a couple of boards.  After all, it isn't plastic.


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Phillip Marlowe

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2004, 05:47:22 PM »
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Philip
Some responses to your post
1) yes I can
2) commissions


1.  Spoilsport.
2.  Hmm.  OK.  ...Let's see...just put in my order for another Vendetta and the Vendetta Particle... Happy now...?
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2004, 07:41:40 PM »
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Philip
Some responses to your post
1) yes I can
2) commissions


Mr. Cardinale,

If your answer #1 was to Phillip's use of the VooDoo, then will a polished Vendetta Black act like a VooDoo?
I have one that I have not yet drilled up, but I can test it when I do. I was interested in your opinion.
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2004, 09:19:27 PM »
Ok, Vendetta Black it is then. How should I drill it?
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2004, 09:35:48 AM »
I plan on ordering the Anomaly, Vendetta Black and Barrage within the next two weeks. What Pin position and Top weight should I order them with?
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bamaster

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2004, 09:48:47 AM »
Hmmm... maybe around 3" pins, all three balls drilled similar.  Pin around 1:30 or so, 4-1/4" fom your PAP with the CG in the center of your grip somewhere.

The Anomaly, Vendetta Black, and Barrage are very different balls and don't require layout tweaking to get a different reaction.  You will end up polishing up the Vendetta Black a little, I'll guess to give you more of a skid/flip reaction.  You can do the same with the Anomaly if necessary.  The Barrage won't need anything.

Anyone else with a different opinion?

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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2004, 09:51:20 AM »
Tony,

When you say polish a little, what level of grit should I go with?
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2004, 10:01:11 AM »
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Tony,

When you say polish a little, what level of grit should I go with?


hehe, this is the way I do it... I put the ball on the spinner, take a towel and squirt a little of resin polish on it, then polish the ball for 5-7 seconds... flip the ball over, 5-7 seconds again.  

Yep, that'll do it.

hehe, maybe someone else can chime in with a more legit way of addiing some shine to a ball.

Tony
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2004, 10:10:47 AM »
Yeeaaahhh, I've gone a little polish happy a few times on a spinner. I would suggest refraining from talking on the phone while polishing a ball, unless you want a nice round mirror...LOL
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2004, 01:54:38 PM »
I was thinking:

Anomaly (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
Vendetta Black (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
Barrage (1-2 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?

How would that work? With the Anomaly drilled either 4 X 2 or 4 X 3, what sort of reaction will I get with that?
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2004, 09:40:31 PM »
Would this be a sufficient pin position for the Anomaly (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)? Or would I want a lower top weight to get it rolling sooner? It's a versatile ball, right?

With the Vendetta Black I figured I would want a higher top weight, so It would move the reaction farther down lane (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?

The Barrage I wasn't sure about (1-2 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?

I still don't know how to drill the Vendetta Black though... Please correct me if I have missed anything or overlooked it.
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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2004, 07:08:36 PM »
Josh, you might want to read the thread "Drilling for Jaros" - the gist of the thread is that he is using very simple drillings.  I think you are overthinking all of this - the top weight, should it be pin in or out, the main thing is where is the CG relative to your grip centerline and then how the pin and the mass bias line up.

My pro has drilled all of my Dynothane balls the same .... the CG is kicked out about 1/2", the pin is by the ring finger, which leads to the MB being just to the right of the thumbhole.   I think that you should use a simple layout, and let the coverstock and the core do the work for you, allow the design characteristics of the ball to shine through.  You need someone who knows how to drill balls to watch you bowl, and by evaluating your speed, rev rate, etc. can make suggestions.  Unless anyone on this board has seen you bowl, none of us can make any suggestions that will be worth anything.

I don't want to speak for Phil, but when I would ask, "how should I drill this ball," he would always answer, "use your favorite drilling."  If you read his response on the other thread, he says as much, and BTW I don't ask him anymore!
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jjweb

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Re: Arsenal setup
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2004, 07:47:41 PM »
Yeah, I asked Phil for his advice, I totally value his opinion and everyone else's that helped me out. I guess I went a little overboard!

Thanks everyone!!!
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