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bamaster

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Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« on: May 17, 2006, 02:12:26 AM »
Check it...

http://www.columbia300.com/interact/news.cfm?id=1787


Personally, I think if Columbia wanted me to sign with them so bad they could have just asked me.
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2006, 01:37:50 PM »
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I like how all these people are second guessing an expert such as Phil.  "The man started one ball company, made it a success and then walked away on his terms (my guess is with a nice bit of change in his pocket).  Not content to sit on his duff for the next 30 years, he bought a small company, and turned it into a very well known name.  He doesn't strike me as a guy in it for the money, he wants his company to succeed, if he thought Columbia wouldn't give him a great chance to succeed he wouldn't have made the move.  Phil essentially rented space from Storm, all the materials and designs were owned by Dynothane, I see this as being a similar arrangement."
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Except Phil took a position with Columbia Industries - VP of Business Development - to go along with his D/T responsibilites.

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tekneek

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2006, 01:44:01 PM »
I have to believe Phil knows what he is doing for the sake of his company and staff. His "track" record (play on words) speaks volumes. I hardly think this would have happened if he had doubts of the company's future. Besides with this deal maybe I can become a fulltime parking lot attendant with JimE. LOL
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2006, 01:52:16 PM »
Guys,

What did you expect?
It's the American corporate world, where today's enemy is tomorrow's business partner/friend.
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2006, 02:04:04 PM »
It makes perfect sense because Dyno-thane is already HQ'ed in San Antonio, TX.
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2006, 02:28:24 PM »
It's funny, being on the East Coast the rumor was just the opposite that Columbia was buying Storm not Storm buying Columbia.  Just interesting how rumors get going.  

I think the Dynothane acquisition will be interesting.  I am not a huge fan of Columbia stuff but was VERY impressed with Dynothane.  It will be interesting to see how this works and how the Dyno balls react/compare to Columbia, Track, and Circle.  

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AllAirForceTwice

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2006, 02:57:02 PM »
Two questions and I am done...

1) Does that mean all new line up since base resins are changing?

2) Should I be concerned with M80's durability? I hear about or see great OOB reactions... but then complaints that it diminishes with time. This is according to Columbia testers I know or have bowled with in the recent past. Seems like it counterdicts D/T doctrine...

28 years experience and 2 companies made rock solid by Phil says volumes... I may have to retire in SATX now... mmmmm hand-made tortillas...
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shelley

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2006, 03:06:45 PM »
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2) Should I be concerned with M80's durability? I hear about or see great OOB reactions... but then complaints that it diminishes with time. This is according to Columbia testers I know or have bowled with in the recent past. Seems like it counterdicts D/T doctrine...


What does M80 have to do with it?  It's a Columbia cover, not a DT cover.  DT's always had their own covers, even when they were made by Storm.

I might be convinced about the cracking issue, as that can be a manufacturing problem just as much as a formulation problem (especially if it's true across several ball lines with different covers).  If C300 starts manufacturing DT balls then those same manufacturing issues could carry over.  I've never had a ball crack on me; my Icon2, Mutant, and Triple Threat are all in good shape and crack-free.  I have a decent bit of loft, too.  I know plenty of people with Track and Columbia balls that haven't had that problem (not disputing that other people have had problems, of course).

But I think DT will still have the same reputation for durability they've always had, especially with the Soaker balls.

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2006, 03:23:35 PM »
I would have to agree Shelly, it seems Phil has never had a cracking issue with his covers, now whether is it a manfuacturing or drilling issue who knows. I had several C300 balls in the past and all had cracking bridge issues, none with D/T or Storm equip. Is it a curing problem?, who knows. I'll stick with a proven winner D/T until I see bad results, or I'm personally effected or my clientle is effected. As far as customer service goes there is none better than D/T, as far as C300 is concerned I have had issues with them in the past, and not favorable either.
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2006, 04:54:19 PM »
For everyone who is distressed at this move, remember that Columbia made all the great Track balls when Phil was in charge there, and no one was complaining about quality then.  

Everyone ought to just pipe down and give the new balls a chance.  By the way, anyone seeing the Vendetta Magnum cracking in large numbers?
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2006, 05:05:57 PM »
Well where do I begin. Columbia did not acquire D/T we have reached a long term manufacturing / marketing agreement. We will purchase resins from the Storm Resin supplier and use our own additives as we have done when production was at Storm. We have opportunity to grow the company due to capacity availability at Columbia, this was not available to us at Storm. Core and cover is strictly under our control and we will dictate product, resins used and marketing. Hope this answers the concerns. You guys need to trust my judgement I've done this before and it's turned out for the best.
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shelley

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2006, 05:15:34 PM »
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You guys need to trust my judgement I've done this before and it's turned out for the best.
Phil


I trusted you.  I think the problem was that "strategic partnership" is the most vague, uninformative way to describe what's going on as is possible.  I know it's the sort of thing business people like to see in press releases, so it was entirely appropriate.  But for us bowlers, there was nothing to indicate what was really going on.  DT's faithful supporters were worried because C300 bought Circle not long ago and Chip was given a position within C300.  We read the press release and see that you now have a position within C300 and think the same thing.

I think it's awesome that you take the time to read and post here, to clarify issues like this, and to interact with your customers.  I don't see many other company presidents doing that.

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newguy

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2006, 09:50:09 PM »
It is what it is!!! Time will tell, history does repeat itself. There ain't no more to add.
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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2006, 10:42:01 PM »
I was concerned when I first heard of it, because I can't tell you the last Columbia coverstock that I liked.

But I just bought my first Track ball in some time, a Machine, and I love the reaction I'm getting from that ball. It matches up very well for me, whereas past Columbia products have been far too mild. If D/T is going to use Columbia resins I would expect there to be not a lot of difference across the Columbia production lines.

I'm still cautious as to what this means from a marketing/promotion standpoint, as well as a variety standpoint -- i.e., I don't want any company to be a carbon copy of another. I'm always a fan of multiple options and choice. I just hope D/T doesn't become Mercury to Columbia's Ford.

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AllAirForceTwice

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2006, 10:58:04 PM »
"We will purchase resins from the Storm Resin supplier and use our own additives as we have done when production was at Storm."

That's a relief... I didn't recall reading this anywhere earlier and clears up all my concerns. I have been to the Storm factory to visit some of my ABT and league buddies who work there and on the tour I was told that Storm, D/T and R-G shared a base resin... I was not sure if the M80 formulation uses the same base resin or not... That's why I was asked.

"What does M80 have to do with it? It's a Columbia cover, not a DT cover. DT's always had their own covers, even when they were made by Storm."

Apparently everything Shelley, I probably should not have equated change in manufacturing site with base resin use though...

Thanks for the clarification Mr C.

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Re: Dyno-thane Rumor... a little TRUTH to it!
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2006, 03:36:31 PM »
Legend   where do you get this stuff from   every single columbia ball ever  cracked.  please   you got stock in storm or something,  have not had  a single columbia premium ball crack all season.   sounds like you bowl tournaments,  which could explain the cracking.  most guys when they go down,
bounce the ball a few times before putting it in the bag.  sound familiar???
we have more honor scores with columbia balls than anything else since the action's came out,  especially the packed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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