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jjweb

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Element/Arsenal question
« on: February 10, 2004, 08:08:02 AM »
I was wondering, what surface grit works the best on an Element for a heavier house shot? I was thinking about hitting it with a grey scotch-brite pad? I want the Element to fit under my Vendetta Particle. Use the Element when the Vendetta Particle is too much ball, but when my Thing won't cut it in the oil.

My arsenal consists of:

Vendetta Particle – Heavy
Element – Med-heavy/Carrydown
Thing – Med
Silver Streak Pearl – Med-dry
Sonic X -- Dry

Any help is much appreciated.
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jjweb

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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2004, 08:10:16 AM »
If I use the grey scotch-brite pad, will I lose the flip on the backend?
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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2004, 08:27:12 AM »
changing surfaces like you are talking about becomes "trial and error", I suggest that if possible get a pair of lanes with the shot on it you are talking about. Then fine tune your surface slowly, throwing each ball alternately until you reach a happy medium. I find that its easier to hand rub surfaces with scotch brites, rather than run back and forth to the pro shop to get a tuned reaction.  je
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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2004, 03:11:31 PM »
jjweb,

If your profile is accurate in saying you're a tweener with low-medium revs, honestly I would not recommend an Element for you for medium-heavy with carrydown, no matter the grit. As has been mentioned here (D/T forum) many times, an Element and a Thing will generally only do what your release makes it do. I'd think, all things being relative, one should be a tweener with medium to medium high revs for an Element to work on such a condition. I'd recommend an Anomaly. The same is true for an Anomaly, but it is a step or a step and a half stronger than an equivalent Element.

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jjweb

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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2004, 09:17:03 PM »
I would consider myself more of a Med rev player, I guess I was under estimating my rev rate. I wanted to get it rolling a little sooner for me, that's all. What's funny for me is the Thing has been VERY forgiving, even when I didn't hit-up on it, or got a little to wide on a shot. I've already thrown the Element on my normal league shot, and it moves HARD! When I did practice on the heavier shot; I didn't have any room right (playing up 10), but when it hit the dry it had a nice hard arc to the pocket (coming straight up the back). It was just coming into late, so I thought I should bring the surface down to get it started sooner?

Should I leave it in the 1000 matte finish, and use it when I play inside of the third arrow (heavy) on my league shot?

I've finally found equipment that I 'think' matches up well with me.

Any help is much appreciated.
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jjweb

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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2004, 09:11:32 AM »
Maybe I should leave it at 1000 matte, use it for my first game in league? Get the Element to make a little area for me to play my Thing? I can usually play my Thing all three games without any problems.

I don't know? I'm confused now, lol .
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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2004, 11:02:40 AM »
Josh wrote:

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I would consider myself more of a Med rev player, I guess I was under estimating my rev rate. I wanted to get it rolling a little sooner for me, that's all. What's funny for me is the Thing has been VERY forgiving, even when I didn't hit-up on it, or got a little to wide on a shot. I've already thrown the Element on my normal league shot, and it moves HARD!


Unless you have a lot of very dry backends with a heavy short-ish oil, I would generally say the Element is not a hard moving ball in its box condition. It is good at 1000, 800 or 60 grit, with the lower grits moving more evenly and earlier. AT 1000 grit it can be a control ball with a hard hit. I am starting to experiment and like it with a slight polish on it. It goes slightly longer with more saved energy.

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When I did practice on the heavier shot; I didn't have any room right (playing up 10), but when it hit the dry it had a nice hard arc to the pocket (coming straight up the back). It was just coming into late, so I thought I should bring the surface down to get it started sooner?

Should I leave it in the 1000 matte finish, and use it when I play inside of the third arrow (heavy) on my league shot?


I have found the Soaker cover very easy to modify with both polish and sandpaper and to be very responsive to such changes once they are done. Do not hesitate to sand it slightly, first to 800 or even 600 if you feel it is needed in order to get an earlier reaction. I'd take it down in steps to check the reaction.

I have also found more backend, if that is needed, just by coming around the ball slightly more to increase your angle of rotation; for me this added more backend, without polish.

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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2004, 02:12:31 PM »
With a 1000 surface and drier backends, should I start worrying about roll out? Or a loss of hit, weak 10's and such?
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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2004, 02:27:52 PM »
I wouldnt worry about roll-out but then again, I dont know the type of pattern you bowl on. I have never seen my Element roll out. I am a med. revs/speed type player. We do have nice head oil and clean backends. Heck, even on drying heads it wont roll out, but thats just me. Charlest makes a good point about coming around the side. Thats pretty effective.

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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2004, 04:10:19 PM »
I'm going to scuff the Element with a green pad, I'll throw it in league tomorrow, see how I like it.

Thanks for all the help!
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Re: Element/Arsenal question
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2004, 01:44:16 PM »
Thanks guys! Using the green scotch-brite worked like a charm! I could play just about anywhere I wanted to on the open pattern (43'long, dry outside of 5, heavy inside of 20). I was laying it down about the 18th board, out to 10, breakpoint around the 8 board. Making a tremendous flip on the backend, and just crushing the pins. I just need to try it on the heavier shot now!

Thanks again!
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