Phil/newguy,

I've never seen yo ubowl, but just out of sheer curiosity, do you have a lot of rotational angle at your release point? I suspect 75-90 degrees.

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Phil, I have to echo Charlest's comments.  Let me explain.  As one sees in my profile, my favorite balls, especially for tournament conditions, have been the Vendetta, the Element and the Thing Returns for some time.  (When I say tournament conditions, I mean relatively flat oil out 35-42 feet with crispy backends.)  

However, I have noticed that on many of the "house" conditions I face, the balls I use for tournaments simply do not "finish" as well as I expect.  Now, while I tend to keep my "tournament" balls (Vendetta, Vendetta Black, and Element), drilled about 5.5x5 even the Thing Returns (drilled 4.125 x 5.25) doesn't have as strong a finish -- needing a much more pronounced dry area on the outsides to bounce off if the backends aren't screaming or have been softened to allow everyone to get to the hole.  I am not saying I can't score with the equipment (lord knows, you probably deserve royalties), but the equipment seems to work better when I come around the ball more than I normally do, creating an axis rotation of at least 45 degrees (mine is generally 20-30 degrees, and if I can get away with it and carry, sometimes even less) to 55 to 75 degrees.  I have noticed the same thing with friends (who I have sold on your equipment), those with more sideroll or a high axis rotational angle tend to do much better with your equipment on house conditions.  The Anomaly, for example, is not a huge hooker at 20 degrees (probably because it tends to burn up) but at 50 degrees is almost uncontrollable and is making believers out of the folks with higher rotational angles -- who around here describe it as a "huge" ball.

Of your recent equipment, the strongest "backend" ball for those with predominately forward roll was the Vendetta in box condition.  Similarly, the Thing Returns is a predominately "backend" ball, even if I generally use forward, largely end over end roll (though milder than the Vendetta in box).  The Thing, the Vendetta Black, the Anomaly, the Thing Lives, the Vendetta Particle, the Element and even the AU79, all seem to require a higher degree of axis tilt and a increased axis rotational angle to maximize their potential on the THS.  (I don't count the Barrage, since it is supposed to be a late hooking arcy ball.)   (Note, I drilled my Thing,  Anomaly, TLs, Vendetta Particle and AU79 substantially "label leverage" or 4x4 to try to get more flip with less sideroll.)  I have thus created two arsenals, one for tournaments and houses with strong backends, using exclusively (or largely exclusively) Dynothane equipment and another for weaker backends, using ... less Dynothane equipment.  

Oh, by the by Phil, have you got any NIB 15 lb Red/Black's laying around?  I uh know they are discontinued but...umm, I am willing to pay retail and grant you some royalty rights...
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Edited on 12/6/2004 8:26 PM

Well now I understand why I see an entirely different look on my balls compared to some of you... I have a span of about 4 in cut to cut but all of my balls seem to have 3-3.5 oz of top before drilling (except my Anomaly) so I am about 1.5-2 oz top after... I get some pretty violent direction changes on a couple of balls. My AU79 (3.54 top) as stated earlier and even my TR (3.65 top) on some patterns. I'll have to remember that. Thanks for the info everyone!

I also agree with you Mr Marlowe, the more side roll the the more snap... far more on the Soaker covers than other company's stuff... I have never had a Soaker-covered Dynothane ball skid too much... I have been working on some 42 and 45 ft Sport Patterns and the PBA D pattern last couple of Fridays to prepare for AF Championships and TEAM USA. My Anomaly and the TL look very, very good on PBA D... and my AU79 looked fantastic on the 45 shot. Anyone thrown the Crisis Pearl on blown heads/track like the last game of a Sport League... What did it do?

Edited on 12/8/2004 9:14 AM

Phil

I would have to agree. I tend to drill all my DT balls with basic drillings and they are more than enough for all conditions...

A few regional guys in my area have noticed that when drilling the stronger covers and bring the side wt back to 0-1/4 oz.. they get a much better reaction then loading the ball up. They are able to use them longer and keep them stronger through the transition......
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When I originally wrote this post, my idea/concern was that Soaker balls seemed too even in nature. I never saw the strong overall ball reaction for which they were noted. My initial idea was that my release with 20 degrees tilt, 40-45 degrees rotation and medium speed did not get enough natural length for these balls to work properly.

I know this an older discussion, but I found it to be very informative and very enjoyable.  I want to say thank you to all who contributed.


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Usually the The Thing Returns with box cover of 1000 and a lower axis tilt handles the wet/dry transition on a medium-dry condition smoothly for me.

Cover of 2000 is even better if extreme wet/dry is not happening.


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