what kind of sole were you using, I had the same problem at first, but just used the cleat sole with the felt inserts with the gray or white heel and slide just as much as I did with my #8 sole and leather heel on my sst 6's. I think with the tour deluxes you don't get a full set of each of the cleat soles like you do with the ultras which I have, but you can get your pro shop to order a complete set of them. They even make a full felt sole now, if you don't the cleat sole. I think that could solve your problem, so don't knock the shoes until you have actually tried some different options thats why they give you all of them.