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xxZonexx

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So i had nothing to do and
« on: February 28, 2005, 11:59:28 AM »
I put my thing returns in the oven for the fist time and every thing went great really. I put it in for 2 10 min periods and got a towl and wiped the oil off. All i have to say is wow... this ball hooks like never before the improvement is like 100%

 

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2005, 08:09:26 PM »
Why would you do that?

The Thing Returns has the soaker coverstock...it gets stronger the more oil it picks up.
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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2005, 08:39:01 PM »
because the ball was so oily and no matter what it wouldent come off so i did that and its like new

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2005, 08:51:23 PM »
out of curiosity, how the hell does coverstock get stronger as it absorbs more oil?

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2005, 09:04:55 PM »
that ball isnt going to be dead lol, i have a nother one comming any way.

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2005, 10:08:18 PM »
I don't have a technical answer for you, but yes...the soaker coverstocks do indeed get stronger with the more games on them and oil they absorb. I don't even clean mine unless they get belt marks or such on them that will affect the roll. I have the anomaly, thing lives, and thing returns which all have the soaker covers. I bought my Thing Lives new about 2 months ago and it is has about 5 boards more flare now than it did when new. You really don't break them in till after maybe 25-30 games. I can't give you a reason why but it is definitly true.
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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2005, 01:45:13 AM »
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I don't have a technical answer for you, but yes...the soaker coverstocks do indeed get stronger with the more games on them and oil they absorb. ...  I bought my Thing Lives new about 2 months ago and it is has about 5 boards more flare now than it did when new. You really don't break them in till after maybe 25-30 games. I can't give you a reason why but it is definitly true.
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Why do you ascribe the increased performance with amount of oil it absorbs? Couldn't the amount it absorbs be coincidental to the performance?

I relate the increased performance of the Soaker coverstock after the first 20 or so games strictly to the wear of the cover. The Soaker is designed to "dissipate" the oil and not allow the its absorptionto affect the performance of the ball. I do not relate the increased performance to the absorption of oil BECAUSE then as the ball absorbs oil, its performance should continue to increase forever. WHat would stop it? It's still absorbing oil. If you follow that logically, the ball would eventually hook so much and so early that you couldn't use it any more.
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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2005, 05:18:15 AM »
If it hooks more after you get track wear and not oil absortion, why is it that when I clean it with simple green it loses power? I have cleaned it a few times and every time...it takes away a few boards of flare until I put 10 or so games back on it. Just cleaning it with simple green does not adjust the surface grit, but removes dirt and oil from the outside of the cover. These are just my personal experiences.
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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2005, 06:55:19 AM »
personally,..and I have a lot of D/T balls, I think it's magic.

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2005, 07:15:41 AM »
I don't own any of these balls but perhaps this magical
ball gets better as it soaks up oil is because freshly
cleaned the ball has too much surface and is rolling out or
burning up to early so it actually hooks less.

Just a possibility.

later,

Jac

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2005, 10:02:41 AM »
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The Thing Returns has the soaker coverstock...it gets stronger the more oil it picks up.



Assume that your hypothesis is true.  By never cleaning your ball, it would continue to hook more, and more, and more.  Your Thing Returns would morph into a Thing, then a Thing Lives and so on, until the ball hooked at your feet and became unusable.

I respectfully disagree with this hypothesis, I think some of the explainations offered above explain your experience with the ball.

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2005, 10:10:47 AM »
You might want to reconsider the oven thing .....  this passage from the Columbia 300 website also offers some evidence that the more oil = more hook idea is incorrect:


Dear Columbia, I was told that you can put your bowling ball in an oven, a low temp, and not that long, to get that oil out. My coach and friends have done it when I tryed it, my ball got burned and had little cracks all over, I had a Complete Choas, I want to know can you put your bowling ball in the oven?
 

This question was selected because there were a lot of questions this month asking about putting a ball in an oven to remove oil. You can tell by the question, the potential problem that can occur. Reactive resin balls have a plasticizer in them, which creates pores in the shell. The lane oil will go into the pores removing it from the surface to create more friction with the lane. This is how reactive resin shells work. When too much oil gets into the ball the friction is lowered which reduces the hook. By heating the ball the oil can be driven out of the shell, but the plasticizer will also be removed, which is not good. Putting a brand new ball, which has never touched lane oil, into a hot oven, can prove this. A liquid that looks like oil will come to the surface. This is the plasticizer.

You want this in the ball.

There is also a thing in physics called, "Thermal Expansion and Contraction". When most objects are heated they expand, and when they are cooled they contract. Different materials expand and contract at different rates. When you put your ball in a hot oven it will expand, but the core will expand at a different rate then the shell because it is made from a different material. This can cause the core to separate from the shell. In the case above, the shell expanded from the heat so much that the chemical bond holding the material together were not strong enough to over came the expansion and the shell cracked.

Therefore, DO NOT put your ball in the oven. It is not covered under our warranty.

http://www.columbia300.com/interact/atx.cfm?id=1558&page=2

legend4life95

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2005, 10:17:52 AM »
Well, this discussion could go on and on forever, but until someone like newguy or otherguy can/will give us an explanation of how this works, we will all ahve our opinions on this issue. All I can say is....from my experiences with the Anomaly,TR,and TL, I have found them to get stonger with oil in the coverstock and on the surface. I have cleaned them without changing surface and lost some hook until I pick up more oil. All I can say to the sceptical people out there is...get one new and try cleaning/not cleaning it and put a good amount of games on it and then give us your thoughts.
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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2005, 01:31:04 PM »
still looking for the scientific explanation here.

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Re: So i had nothing to do and
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2005, 01:40:52 PM »
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still looking for the scientific explanation here.


Ash, it's not gonna happen.  Phil has come on here multiple times refusing to explain how the soaker cover works.  Why would he?  He'd be giving up his competive advantage.  I'm not sure if he was a chemistry guy, physics guy, or just a general science nut, but he figured out how to get the lane conditioner to react differently to the resins so that the coverstocks do not lose their effectiveness.

Phil knows more than I do (and most of the bowling community for that matter) and the coverstocks work.  That's all I care about.
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