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legend4life95

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Steves ball choice...
« on: March 20, 2005, 03:17:10 AM »
He should stick with that anomaly. Much more controlable.
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2005, 07:23:38 PM »
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Looks like I shut some people up.....not my intention, but I did enjoy the debate. Thanks, my fellow bowling gentleman. It was a pleasure to trade opinions with you all.


Not really.  I don't see where you brought much to the debate.  If we disagree with your opinions we are labeled as Jaros lovers.  I'd like to see some info on how flat the pattern is that the PBA players throw on.  Jaros made a lot of changes to his game last year that served him well.  Like many players this year, he is having trouble matching up.  He said he spent a lot of time with video to find his week points.  Like Robert Smith earlier this year, he did a good job getting to the show, but didn't perform well when the lights were on.  It takes more than a week to fix your flaws.

I guess all the people that benefitted from Barnes and Waliczek's struggles on TV should return those titles as well?  Jaros threw the ball very well last year and deserved every win.  He threw the ball lousy today and deserved to lose.  It has nothing to do with his style.  If you're consistent, any style can win.  Jim Pratt, WRW, Robert Smith, TJ, Chris Barnes, Brian Himmler, Brian Voss, Rick Lawerence...
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2005, 07:55:18 PM »
It seems to me that the trend this year has been to reward players who release the ball more quietly onto the lane rather than hitting up on the ball and lofting it out onto the lane.

Even the last win Mika had, he was not lofting it near as much as he was last year and earlier this year.

I think that more than anything else has led to Jaros and others struggles this year.

TJ, Barnes, and others who have had success this year land the ball smoothly about 6" over the foul line.

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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2005, 07:59:48 PM »
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Jaros threw the ball very well last year and deserved every win. He threw the ball lousy today and deserved to lose. It has nothing to do with his style. If you're consistent, any style can win.


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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2005, 08:41:37 PM »
Ok so if I understand you right. You are saying that Jaros needs to learn to play differently. What about guys like Dave Traber or Double D who also usually play just the same line. When they make the show I don't ever hear anyone saying they need to change things. Yes he admitted it that he is struggling this year. He is working on his game. What about PDW does he need to do something different then he is not doing good this year. Why not sit here and say he needs to change things. This topic would not be going on if he would have won. But since he lost you think he needs to change. I am tired of everyone trying to say this person should do this or that. Until anyone of us is out there making a living on the tour we have no right to say this person should or should not do this or change this. I am sure that he knows what he needs to do and will work on it. Does he need to change his entire game no maybe retool a few things maybe. But whatever he decides to do is his choice and his coaches choice. I for one like to see people like Jaros make a good showing with his classic style.
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2005, 07:59:41 AM »
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It seems to me that the trend this year has been to reward players who release the ball more quietly onto the lane rather than hitting up on the ball and lofting it out onto the lane.

Even the last win Mika had, he was not lofting it near as much as he was last year and earlier this year.

I think that more than anything else has led to Jaros and others struggles this year.

TJ, Barnes, and others who have had success this year land the ball smoothly about 6" over the foul line.


I noticed this too... Could this be attributed to the PBA's change from Kegal to Brunswick oils? Just wondering...
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2005, 09:01:35 AM »
I don't think that anyone's comments are out of line here, but it's always dangerous to judge someone on their worst day.

Jaros was just plain off his game yesterday. I've seen him in enough regional tourneys to know that he is much more solid than what we all saw on the show yesterday. Not only did he not have a good ball reaction, he wasn't even hitting his mark consistently.

This same issue came up when McCune stunk up the show. That had nothing to do with "his style sucks" and all of that other garbage that some people were saying. He just picked a bad time to have a bad day: when the whole world was watching.

We've all been there. Think of what people would say about your game if they judged you when you were at your worst. If you're anything like me, the comments would not be kind.

The fact is, Jaros had unbelieveable success last year BECAUSE OF the changes that he made to his game. Now, this year, either because of the change in conditions or just because of a lack of consistent execution, he is faltering. That happens to most players. Almost everyone goes through peaks and valleys. Only the greats (WRW, Duke, Voss, PDW) find a way to get there and stay there year in and year out. Personally, I don't think Jaros' style has anything to do with it. I mean, sure, he obviously would have had a better look had he been able to swing the lane like Tommy was doing, but how many guys can do that? Not many.

In any case, I don't think that Steve needs to do anything to change his style. He simply needs to get back to executing quality shots so that he regains his confidence. That's the key to performing well. When you're confident, you can split boards and keep the ball in the pocket on the toughest conditions. Look at TJ. Geesh, he's making the PBA patterns look like house shots because he's on such a roll. PA did the same thing earlier this year. On the other hand, when you're struggling, you could have 10 boards to work with and fail to take advantage. It's as simple as that.

Steve's one hell of a bowler. His style is just fine. When he gets things going again he'll be back to making shows and competing for titles. It just takes time to build that confidence back up.
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2005, 09:16:28 AM »
Quote from Sixcranker: "It ain't the ball that is the problem. It is his namby pamby girlie way of throwing a ball. Guy looks like he should be bowling in the PWBA with that style!! Ha ha ha ha ha!!! "

It amazes me how some people on this site can slam other peoples game and styles but DON'T EVEN HAVE A "PROFILE".  What is the old saying, everyone loves a loser and hates a winner!!!!!! An accurate profile of accomplishments would add credibility to a persons statement or opinion. At least we would know if they bowl with the bumpers up or down. !!!!

My admiration and respect goes out to ALL the men and women who regularly compete on the PBA tour and Regional events.  I think we all wish we had their talent.

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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2005, 09:29:53 AM »
Liz Johnson outaveraged all the guys this week and she wasn't hitting it nearly as hard as Jaros.

This is all pretty silly.  If you looked at the way WRW rolls the ball and didn't know anything about him, one might think that he could never score -- little sideroll, too speed dependent...But he does score.  Better than anyone (well, Barnes is about .01 of a pin a game ahead, but no matter).  

If you can repeat the same shot, over and over with reasonable control, you can succeed in bowling.  Anthony threw a ball that didn't look like much, but 41 titles later...I often think we put far too much emphasis on one style or another and not enough emphasis on the ability to execute within whatever style fits us best.  Of course, I might be wrong.  Nah.
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2005, 11:30:51 AM »
it's amazing to me how the rhinestone cowboys can sit back and criticize the real gunslingers,...most would be happy just to get Mr. Jaros to sign that pin you carry from tournament to tournament..jim

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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2005, 09:41:30 AM »
So still wondering... Does anyone know if Soaker coverstocks match up well with Brunswick oils??? Or is only 3 D/T guys on TV this season (McCune, Jaros and Pratt as I can remember) coincidental? I know they can bowl... At their level it is only the littlest things that influence their outcomes... Is the oil/coverstock matchup that little thing?
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2005, 10:39:41 AM »
Lot's of posts and only a few are really factual. I'll add my 2 cents.
First off Jaros should not change his style. He had a stellar year last year and as Randy Pedersen said you just don't forget how to bowl is 12 months. Jaros is own our staff because of his style. I run a business and get players to fill positions on the staff like a baseball team has different players for each position. Eugene McCune goes the hardest and the straightest, Jaros is a tweener and Dave D'Entremont covers the most boards. When I was with the other company and had more players we had Soper and Bowker for the gutter straighter players (small axis of rotation), Wilson,D'Entremont, Jaros had a about 45 degrees of rotation and Ameleto, Hoskins were the big tilt players. Thus we were rarely shut out. The longer format allowed a certain style to eventually dominate for that week. Todays format will not allow a particular style to take over since they do not change pairs and the way they break down is determined by the 2 players on that pair only. The PBA patterns dictate which style will work best that week as well as who matches up the best in the brackets.
The Brunswick oil is different and has put us at a bit of a disadvantage on tour only, since the first time we got to see it was the first week of the tour and as well as changing the oil they changed the volum and personality of the patterns they currently use.
I'll ask a simple question, why would Dynothane look for a different resin after the record we had the 2 prior years. Last year we won 4 times and the year before we won 5, we were not warned far enough in advance that the oil and patterns were going to change. Brunswick took several years to develop this oil and had the same amount of time to match up the resin and the additives.
It's like an auto race where one team races on the track every day and develops tires to match the track.The visitors find out about the track the day they show up and realize they have the wrong tires. If all variables other than the tires are the same on both teams than who wins? I can go back to the days when we totally dominated the tour,we won 14 times in 2 years and it was combo of team and a ceramic core that worked best becase they added STP to the oil and our balls picked up the roll sooner.
We currntly match up perfectly on the Kegal and legend oil which is still the most popular oil in the industry (house conditions and local centers world wide), the tour is a different issue. We are not done researching, provided they the PBA do not change in mid stream again (or at least give ample time to test on the new oils and develop resins and core match ups) than I am confident we will have the proper tires on our race car real soon.
By the way, for my money I'll take Jaros when I need the hit anytime. That that would be over everyone on this sight as well as the tour.

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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2005, 12:17:00 PM »
Thanks Mr C...

We have Kegal oils in my house and all the D/T guys are dominating. I heard Nationals was using Brunswick oil and wanted to prepare my game (not necessarily my arsenal) in advance. However, that being said, can you say with any certainty if it reactions are sooner or later on the Brunswick oils? Might help me and my teammates make proper surface preparations before heading out.
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2005, 02:35:34 PM »
We've had several big D/T scores. I do not think the volume is nearly as much as the tour. The backends are hooking the middles are dished out and the out sides are wet, other than that they are really easy!!
Big rewards for accuracy and consistency.

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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2005, 07:13:24 AM »
I have a NIB Energy and Thing Lives... Low flare drills with plenty of surface then huh?
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Re: Steves ball choice...
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2005, 03:25:15 PM »
... and of course, don't miss right!
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