Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 03:17:10 AM
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Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 11:19:26 AM
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Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 11:34:19 AM
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Post by: VBP-Dustin on March 20, 2005, 11:39:59 AM
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Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 11:41:00 AM
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It ain't the ball that is the problem. It is his namby pamby girlie way of throwing a ball. Guy looks like he should be bowling in the PWBA with that style!! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
If you think you can do better get out there and do it.
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Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 11:51:47 AM
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It is his namby pamby girlie way of throwing a ball. Guy looks like he should be bowling in the PWBA with that style!! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Your opinion is fine, but there was no need for all this trash talk.
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Post by: Goof1073 on March 20, 2005, 12:13:36 PM
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Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 12:19:48 PM
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Post by: Goof1073 on March 20, 2005, 12:41:58 PM
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Post by: Strider on March 20, 2005, 01:16:23 PM
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Well, apparently we have some Steve Jaros fans here. I was commenting on his style, not the man in particular. With that style, it would work well on PWBA conditions as you can see the conditions WERE much softer for the ladies and their throwing styles. I think his style is woman like and that is my opinion. Namby pamby is just a loose description. Be able to accept criticism of your favorites. I sure do (PDW fan here!)
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, unless I'm mistaken, the women were throwing on pure sport shots. The men threw on sport shots for a few weeks a few years ago and it was a disaster. Some poor lane surfaces were partly to blame, but scores were way down. If anything, the men play on slightly softer conditions.
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Post by: stanski on March 20, 2005, 01:47:14 PM
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Ask any bowling expert and they will say the women bowled on soft conditions then. Ask Bill Hall, Salvino, Spigner, etc. and they will tell you the same thing. It may have been a "sport" condition, but how regulated was the condition? When the women did that couples bowling with the men, some cigarette or beer sponsored tournament I do not remember the name, the women's score were considerably down and the men were killing them. In the women's tours, with their conditions, the women have more area than the men because of their releases and the fact they don't have as much power and speed as the men. When you combine most men's styles and shots, the lane conditions influence on the reaction of their bowl is greatly magnified. I can tell that every person on here will not agree with anything I said, but it is nothing I came up with on my own, just Jaros' bowling style. The experts on the bowling community is where I have received my other comments. I commend Liz on her ability to adapt to the lane conditions as to where Jaros cannot. His style is bland.
Bland enough to win 3 titles last year
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Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 03:31:33 PM
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Post by: stanski on March 20, 2005, 06:31:46 PM
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Post by: jkiser01 on March 20, 2005, 06:36:48 PM
I don't think it would have mattered what ball or company he was using. His ball reaction was terrible..
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Edited on 3/20/2005 7:32 PM
Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 06:45:26 PM
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Post by: Strider on March 20, 2005, 07:23:38 PM
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Looks like I shut some people up.....not my intention, but I did enjoy the debate. Thanks, my fellow bowling gentleman. It was a pleasure to trade opinions with you all.
Not really. I don't see where you brought much to the debate. If we disagree with your opinions we are labeled as Jaros lovers. I'd like to see some info on how flat the pattern is that the PBA players throw on. Jaros made a lot of changes to his game last year that served him well. Like many players this year, he is having trouble matching up. He said he spent a lot of time with video to find his week points. Like Robert Smith earlier this year, he did a good job getting to the show, but didn't perform well when the lights were on. It takes more than a week to fix your flaws.
I guess all the people that benefitted from Barnes and Waliczek's struggles on TV should return those titles as well? Jaros threw the ball very well last year and deserved every win. He threw the ball lousy today and deserved to lose. It has nothing to do with his style. If you're consistent, any style can win. Jim Pratt, WRW, Robert Smith, TJ, Chris Barnes, Brian Himmler, Brian Voss, Rick Lawerence...
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Post by: CoachJim on March 20, 2005, 07:55:18 PM
Even the last win Mika had, he was not lofting it near as much as he was last year and earlier this year.
I think that more than anything else has led to Jaros and others struggles this year.
TJ, Barnes, and others who have had success this year land the ball smoothly about 6" over the foul line.
Post by: legend4life95 on March 20, 2005, 07:59:48 PM
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Jaros threw the ball very well last year and deserved every win. He threw the ball lousy today and deserved to lose. It has nothing to do with his style. If you're consistent, any style can win.
Agreed
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Post by: sdbowler on March 20, 2005, 08:41:37 PM
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 21, 2005, 07:59:41 AM
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It seems to me that the trend this year has been to reward players who release the ball more quietly onto the lane rather than hitting up on the ball and lofting it out onto the lane.
Even the last win Mika had, he was not lofting it near as much as he was last year and earlier this year.
I think that more than anything else has led to Jaros and others struggles this year.
TJ, Barnes, and others who have had success this year land the ball smoothly about 6" over the foul line.
I noticed this too... Could this be attributed to the PBA's change from Kegal to Brunswick oils? Just wondering...
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on March 21, 2005, 09:01:35 AM
Jaros was just plain off his game yesterday. I've seen him in enough regional tourneys to know that he is much more solid than what we all saw on the show yesterday. Not only did he not have a good ball reaction, he wasn't even hitting his mark consistently.
This same issue came up when McCune stunk up the show. That had nothing to do with "his style sucks" and all of that other garbage that some people were saying. He just picked a bad time to have a bad day: when the whole world was watching.
We've all been there. Think of what people would say about your game if they judged you when you were at your worst. If you're anything like me, the comments would not be kind.
The fact is, Jaros had unbelieveable success last year BECAUSE OF the changes that he made to his game. Now, this year, either because of the change in conditions or just because of a lack of consistent execution, he is faltering. That happens to most players. Almost everyone goes through peaks and valleys. Only the greats (WRW, Duke, Voss, PDW) find a way to get there and stay there year in and year out. Personally, I don't think Jaros' style has anything to do with it. I mean, sure, he obviously would have had a better look had he been able to swing the lane like Tommy was doing, but how many guys can do that? Not many.
In any case, I don't think that Steve needs to do anything to change his style. He simply needs to get back to executing quality shots so that he regains his confidence. That's the key to performing well. When you're confident, you can split boards and keep the ball in the pocket on the toughest conditions. Look at TJ. Geesh, he's making the PBA patterns look like house shots because he's on such a roll. PA did the same thing earlier this year. On the other hand, when you're struggling, you could have 10 boards to work with and fail to take advantage. It's as simple as that.
Steve's one hell of a bowler. His style is just fine. When he gets things going again he'll be back to making shows and competing for titles. It just takes time to build that confidence back up.
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Post by: Old Coach on March 21, 2005, 09:16:28 AM
It amazes me how some people on this site can slam other peoples game and styles but DON'T EVEN HAVE A "PROFILE". What is the old saying, everyone loves a loser and hates a winner!!!!!! An accurate profile of accomplishments would add credibility to a persons statement or opinion. At least we would know if they bowl with the bumpers up or down. !!!!
My admiration and respect goes out to ALL the men and women who regularly compete on the PBA tour and Regional events. I think we all wish we had their talent.
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 21, 2005, 09:29:53 AM
This is all pretty silly. If you looked at the way WRW rolls the ball and didn't know anything about him, one might think that he could never score -- little sideroll, too speed dependent...But he does score. Better than anyone (well, Barnes is about .01 of a pin a game ahead, but no matter).
If you can repeat the same shot, over and over with reasonable control, you can succeed in bowling. Anthony threw a ball that didn't look like much, but 41 titles later...I often think we put far too much emphasis on one style or another and not enough emphasis on the ability to execute within whatever style fits us best. Of course, I might be wrong. Nah.
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Post by: jimensminger on March 21, 2005, 11:30:51 AM
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 22, 2005, 09:41:30 AM
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Post by: newguy on March 22, 2005, 10:39:41 AM
First off Jaros should not change his style. He had a stellar year last year and as Randy Pedersen said you just don't forget how to bowl is 12 months. Jaros is own our staff because of his style. I run a business and get players to fill positions on the staff like a baseball team has different players for each position. Eugene McCune goes the hardest and the straightest, Jaros is a tweener and Dave D'Entremont covers the most boards. When I was with the other company and had more players we had Soper and Bowker for the gutter straighter players (small axis of rotation), Wilson,D'Entremont, Jaros had a about 45 degrees of rotation and Ameleto, Hoskins were the big tilt players. Thus we were rarely shut out. The longer format allowed a certain style to eventually dominate for that week. Todays format will not allow a particular style to take over since they do not change pairs and the way they break down is determined by the 2 players on that pair only. The PBA patterns dictate which style will work best that week as well as who matches up the best in the brackets.
The Brunswick oil is different and has put us at a bit of a disadvantage on tour only, since the first time we got to see it was the first week of the tour and as well as changing the oil they changed the volum and personality of the patterns they currently use.
I'll ask a simple question, why would Dynothane look for a different resin after the record we had the 2 prior years. Last year we won 4 times and the year before we won 5, we were not warned far enough in advance that the oil and patterns were going to change. Brunswick took several years to develop this oil and had the same amount of time to match up the resin and the additives.
It's like an auto race where one team races on the track every day and develops tires to match the track.The visitors find out about the track the day they show up and realize they have the wrong tires. If all variables other than the tires are the same on both teams than who wins? I can go back to the days when we totally dominated the tour,we won 14 times in 2 years and it was combo of team and a ceramic core that worked best becase they added STP to the oil and our balls picked up the roll sooner.
We currntly match up perfectly on the Kegal and legend oil which is still the most popular oil in the industry (house conditions and local centers world wide), the tour is a different issue. We are not done researching, provided they the PBA do not change in mid stream again (or at least give ample time to test on the new oils and develop resins and core match ups) than I am confident we will have the proper tires on our race car real soon.
By the way, for my money I'll take Jaros when I need the hit anytime. That that would be over everyone on this sight as well as the tour.
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 22, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
We have Kegal oils in my house and all the D/T guys are dominating. I heard Nationals was using Brunswick oil and wanted to prepare my game (not necessarily my arsenal) in advance. However, that being said, can you say with any certainty if it reactions are sooner or later on the Brunswick oils? Might help me and my teammates make proper surface preparations before heading out.
Post by: newguy on March 22, 2005, 02:35:34 PM
Big rewards for accuracy and consistency.
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 23, 2005, 07:13:24 AM
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 23, 2005, 03:25:15 PM
Post by: DanH78 on March 23, 2005, 03:35:05 PM
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I have a NIB Energy and Thing Lives... Low flare drills with plenty of surface then huh?
I can't comment on drill patterns, but if you are truly a "power stroker" that means you have some hand. Guys with hand don't need much surface out there because you get plenty of movement on the backend.
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 24, 2005, 09:00:48 AM
Thanks Dan
Post by: DanH78 on March 24, 2005, 09:05:50 AM
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